Marriage is saying you are committing yourself wholly to your partner in good times as well as bad. Sounds like the vow but thats what it is. If you feel you can't, then don't make any long term plans cause it probably won't last that long.

1 Corinthians 7

[1] Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
[2] Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
[3] Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.
[4] The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.
[5] Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.
[6] But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.
[7] For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.
[8] I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.
[9] But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.
[10] And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
[11] But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.
[12] But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.
[13] And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
[14] For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
[15] But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.
[16] For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife?
[17] But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches.
[18] Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.
[19] Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
[20] Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.
[21] Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather.
[22] For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant.
[23] Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.
[24] Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God.
[25] Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful.
[26] I suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, I say, that it is good for a man so to be.
[27] Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife.
[28] But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you.
[29] But this I say, brethren, the time is short: it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none;
[30] And they that weep, as though they wept not; and they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not; and they that buy, as though they possessed not;
[31] And they that use this world, as not abusing it: for the fashion of this world passeth away.
[32] But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord:
[33] But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife.
[34] There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband.
[35] And this I speak for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but for that which is comely, and that ye may attend upon the Lord without distraction.
[36] But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry.
[37] Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well.
[38] So then he that giveth her in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth her not in marriage doeth better.
[39] The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.
[40] But she is happier if she so abide, after my judgment: and I think also that I have the Spirit of God.



Better to marry than to burn...

Plus even God said... :)

Genesis 2
[18] And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

If you can live without a woman then you'll do better in your service to God but Most cannot do without the other half...we are hard wired this way.


My 2 cents....be fruitiful and multiply. :up:

2 cents indeed.

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Hey Skybird....Just because you cant find a mate who can tolerate you no need to post pictures of your childhood to scare off Kap....you are one negative,depressing individual who likes to drag everyone down in the muck...your wallowing gets old.....OLd.....and saggy just like those.

Go find the balance Daniel son....grasshopper.


add another penny for Skybird.
I have 13years of marriage under my belt....what do you have Skybird? besides a rosy palm?

Kap...have you ever met people who have been married for like 50+years?
What do you think they're secret is?

LOVE dude....LOVE...and remained best friends I guarentee every one of them will tell you.

Personal insults?
:shifty: Thats outta line Ice.

Hey thats Skyboys pic not mine....Outa line was him insulting my post....where is the life experience he speaks from? posting that pic lit my fire ,I was not speaking to him the thread is Kaps.

Marriage is alot of things. In the service, ive seen "contract marriages" where two people would get married, simply because theyd make more money. The governtment pays BAS and BAQ if your married, which means a bigger monthy paystub. Do those people love each other? Not usually. Infact, these marriages are anything but faithful.

Then there are gold diggers, who, hook a poor sucker in, just to make a living off his ass. Also while in the service, Ive seen a few guys that were a bit wet behind the ears in life and find themselves suckered into a ready made family. Some women who live near a military base are, both smart, and well, their just a bitch. Simply put. These guys later on, their just miserable.

Then theres the marriages of people who think they love each other, or are just in love with the idea. The hopeless romantics who pick up whatever comes there way. These never last once they wake up and smell the stink that is reality. (see gold digger)

Then the rare marriages of people who've been exposed to enough in life to know the score, these people will usually get married, say i love you, and mean it.

But whatever marriage you get into, theres the reality of the paper work. Its not all this romantic crap of "ohh i found my mate!" and all that mushy crap. Its also a leagally binding contract, and if your partner doesnt have both oars in the water, they WILL drag you down. Money is always the bottom line, even with marriages.

Case in point is my girlfriend of 6 years. Not married yet, and so long as she has her head up her ass finincially, i will never pop that question. Every time a credtior calls looking for her, it makes me glad that i have my head screwed on straight. Cause, they can't touch me! If i married her, how now they could come after me, and i woudlnt have any of that. Eventually, i know we'd end up divorced anyway because of her finances.

So from my perspective, its just a legally binding contract, and one that i wont enter in anytime soon. Way i see it, you can live like your married, say i love, take care of each other in sickness and in health, and and all that stuff, and so long as the finances are kept seperate, theres not as much to argue about, and makes things a whole lot better. When she F**ks up, most i have to worry about, is the gas bill being paid on time. If we were married, whooaaaaa nellie.. no thanks, i keep my finances on the up and up, and ill be damed if anyones gonna screw that up for me, i dont care who they are.

I've been married for nearly twenty years and still have not even come close to getting bored or disinterested.

Yes it does take an effort but the main efforts are in reality not that hard to do if you are confident and able to trust the person you are married to:

Trust is the number one requirement, even for contract marriages.
Listening to each other. Even if it means hearing things that may be painful or boring. Though in a contract marriage you can ignore pretty much everything that is said except the legally binding contract bits.
Supporting each other's decisions and being tolerant of their point of view means you may have to make some sacrifices to make things work, but if you love each other and trust each other enough you should both be prepared to make some sacrifices even if it's just to get along.
Don't sweat the small stuff and concentrate on why you entered into the contract in the first place.

I just showed the shadow side of that criminal idiocy you were propagating. that today the church still is preaching this sh!t of "no condoms, be fruitiful and multiply" ranks amongst crimes comparing to what the Nazis did - just that it kills much more people and makes many more people suffering dearly. It kills, it sows suffering and despair. That is not depressive an opinion by me - that is a realistic observation that proud believers that are mercylessly Christian no matter the cost so often just tend to ignore.

Personal ranting like yours does not change the world for the better. Nor does it impress me. It just shows the true spirit behind your facade. That's why I never accepted you to be truly Christian, and never will take you as that - no matter how much dead sccripture you quote.

Indeed..let the dead bury the dead.

Marriage was the topic...

Go into it with the mentality of some here and you will reap exactly what you sow...it's not about money...it's about companionship and love...not sex.Maybe that is why as Skybird so eloquently pointed out that all those people starving in Africa and elsewhere only have each other dude....

It ain't about what ya got ...life is about people not possesions.

Live any other way and your in for a lonely and empty life.

Sky, there was no need to 'show' such a disturbing image. If you'd like to talk about such things, then go right ahead, this is a forum (a place for discussion, not a gallery) after all.

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I have to agree with Sky's sentiment, in that the church refuses to adapt itself to the modern age (as far as i see).

I know a person who has been married no less than 4 times now, and every time they try to find a big church and so on.

Actuallu that makes me think, what say you all on a person who wants to get married in white, in a church, but for the tradition of it rather than the beliefs?

Most of the stuff surrounding marriage has more to do with tradition then religion i think. Even non religous people get married, more or less, just like the religious ones . (find a church, rent the tux, the pastor, the recepton,etc etc) Its tradition, its just simply how its done. Not much else to it i think.

Getting close to the 1st anniversary of our wedding, so I can't speak with the same experience as others who have posted here. Why get married? Comes down to some simple truths.
It shows a level of commitment, more than just staying partners and that you wish to be with forever, through good and bad. Some say that you can do that without being married, and some do, but many don't (so do married people, but at least there is a greater effort made by most).

Why did I get married? Because I found some one whom I love, share intrests and hold simlar views with (She won't watch Das Boot, but I don't watch her horror films!;)) and I can't imagine or wish to send the rest of my life with anyone else.:sunny: