Reaves, that would be why I excepted those who need them for towing in the last sentence of my original post.

As for Subman1's comment about fun, believe me, I understand. I'm looking at getting a new car to replace my Corolla, which, while it has served me well, is pushing 15. One of the things that I'm looking for is a tiptronic transmission so that I can have fun driving it. At the same time though, there is nowhere in the US where it is legal to be driving at 200 mph, so I don't see the point in producing a 620-hp car to do something that's illegal.

Additionally, while a Corvette might be "fuel-efficient" as compared to SUV's, I think that that needs to be kept in perspective. If you're talking about an SUV being driven by a single person with no cargo, then yes, I'd agree. However, if you're talking about a fully laden Suburban carrying nine passengers, cargo, and towing a boat, than although it burns more fuel, it's doing a lot more than the Corvette, which can tote two people at most with little, if any cargo.

I personally could care less about doing 200 MPH, but many of these guys go to the track to have fun. On another note, it is not top speed that these guys are looking for, but acceleration through all ranges of speed.

Yes, if you plan to drive around public roads, you might be fine with 200 HP, but I guarantee that someone will come along just like you that will say - what do you need 200 hp for? This is exactly your argument for the guys looking for 500 to 600 HP.

To each his own.

-S

I will just stick to driving my 17 year old Honda Accord with 200k+ miles:D .

Well, untill the wheels fall off.

Then I will take a look at who has the best City car between Honda and Toyota and be boring old me all over again.:ping:

That's why I have a 66 GTO..... it's exempt from emissions. :D And seeing the 389 has a bad set of rings, I'm putting in a 326 ci engine. No more highpriced Supreme Unleaded. I'll be able to burn plain ol Reg. Unleaded. Mind you the original matching numbers 389 will be rebuilt and kept to go with the car if I ever decide to sell it.


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Think I'll splash out on some new tyres. For my bicycle.

How about trying to buy American for once? :D

-S

Does it count if I buy a Honda with a VIN starting with a 1? That would make it made in america.:hmm:

Also I could buy a Dodge that starts with a 3 and then I would be buying Mexican;)

Its not so much where its made, but where the money goes - to American corporations.

Dodge is German, not American! :p Owned by Dalmer-Benz / Dalmer Chrysler!

Buying Subaru, Mitsubishi, even Land Rover, or Volvo, Saab, any of them - all American owned, or at least majority owned by Americans.

I speak of jobs for Americans. That is what I think buying American should be about employing americans.

Dodge is made by Chrysler which is no longer owned by Daimler. Cerberus Capital Management now owns Chrysler after buying it from Daimler.

So when my poor Honda decides to throw in the towel (could take a while) I will buy a car made in Amercia. :D

I can also buy Honda ADRs on the NYSE if I want to invest in the company.

Having the work is nice, but ultimately, except for the paychecks paid out, the majority lions share - Leaves the country. Get it? This is an American tactic that America has employed for a long while. The Japanese are just doing the same thing back to us. I think the British invented this techique as a way to get Spice from the Indies without having to use British gold.

Regardless, you are sending the majority of your money and the majority of the jobs to Japan buy buying your Honda. It is nice that some paychecks are written to Americans for assembling the cars whos parts are all made in other countries, but in the end, the majority of your money and jobs is leaving our economy. No other way to spin it.

-S

Umm not when it comes to the car business.

The majority of the jobs in using Honda as an example would be American owned by Americans in America.

In fact, more than 100,000 workers are employed thru authorized dealerships in the US and they use over 600 US suppliers in the manfacture of their cars.

So no I dont get it.

I can also as an American invest in the company by buying stock on the NYSE thus putting money in my pocket too as an American.

You can spin it anyway you want to make you feel warm and fuzzy about it, put your $$$ and jobs with those dollars are leaving America. Nuff said.

-S

PS. I don't count dealerships in those numbers.

PPS. Here is what Honda is up to by the way:

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedi...nes-suncomment

No spin.

Just facts.

Some people here sometimes have a hard time with facts.

Erm. It is true that some money paid to foreign corporations *eventually* leaves the country, there's a large multiplier at work through domestic wages. Domestic wages positively affect the local community, multiplying out like any wage. Repatriation of profits definitely exists, but the net effect is far too fuzzy to slap a black-and-white onto, much less distort to make oneself feel a bit better.

Nope, Dodge and Chrysler are no longer owned by Dalmer-Benz. DB sold it. A US outfit now owns them and it's one of the reasons the plant in Newark, DE is closing. The most advanced plant in the US that can build and vehicle Chrysler/Dodge makes is shutting their doors in 2009. Actually DB started the closing and the fools that now own it are continuing on with the closing. They also have a great track record of shutting down buisnesses they buy. So in a few years you might only see GM and Ford..... the Big Two..... no more Big Three.