Excuse my ignorance but aren't there airsoft pellets made from hard ceramic material?

And don't some of the more advanced high powered models offer a 600-800 FPS velocity?

Not being funny here but an airsoft BB gun is still a weapon same as a chair can be deemed a weapon or a kitchen knife or even a plank of wood.

Anything capible of killing can be used as a weapon, i shoot guns not just airsoft air rifle and live firing guns, some very powerful BB guns can cause serious injury and can be fatal, sounds silly doesnt it well no its not at the end of the day if you pulled that BB gun regardless if it fires 6mm plastic balls or 9mm live shells you will be killed here.

In london if some one draws a gun it is shoot first ask questions later, im lucky ive been detained twice by the police (both times released as i was not in the wrong) but all it would take is for me to point the gun at some one or the police officer or even just in the general direction and i would have been killed.

A weapon is an object that can be used as a tool that can cause injury or death, even stupid thinks like a pen can be used as a weapon.

So yes they should be called weapons and they are.

Put it to you this way if i picked up my steel toe cap boot and hit you over the head with it, the police define that as the "murder weapon" should i kill you or the weapon used to cause Actual bodily harm.

The sad thing is in alot of places in the western world a 14 year old can easily and legally buy an airsoft BB gun (i know i was one of them) and if a 14 year old can do that whats to stop them handing it to a 7 year old? its a bit like when we walk past shops and the school kids as me "can you get me some cigarettes" it is litterally that easy to obtain these weapons.

Ive been handling guns since i was 11, i have shot two people and caused injury to both, and yes both were accidents because they walked onto the range out of my vision i didnt even know they were on the range (shooting air rifles).

All of my guns are high powerd and are fully capible of killing you, i have an airsoft gun that can fire both plastic and metal BB's at over 900fps and it has a range of around 100 meters inside 35 meters i can probably say it will do serious damage if not kill.

I would like to say though i had no intention of shooting the two people i shot it was an accident i have no intentions to shoot anyone and nor do i want to.

Know why?

Cause i aint stupid!

Your quite right AVON i have a custom made CP-99 pistol it fires 6mm steel or plastic BB's (like pellets) it has a velocity of 900fps and is powerd by gas, with the steel rounds i can quite easily shoot through a car window screen (windshield) at 3 meters.

I also have a high powerd hunting rifle which has special type of rounds they are not flat nosed slugs but a very piont cone shaped like a real bullet but alot more of a point, they are fired from again a custom made Logun Dominator gun which has been heavily modified and will fire upto 1,700fps and that will kill you because i know full well it can kill cows.

Not being funny subman1 but i suggest you do take a long hard look at those instructions and the print on the box, because on 90% of boxes it states clearly in red writing "THIS IS NOT A TOY" and no they dont just fire rubber and plastic bullets airsoft also includes the use of steel rounds which can cause serious injury and if your gun is powerful enough death.

Ive been doing airsoft shooting and tournaments since i was around 11 / 12 im now not far from 20 i dont care if im firing plastic or steel rounds the same rules apply its still a weapon that can cause injury that is why we have face protection and padding.

Did you know that the higest powerd BB gun in the world firing a plastic pellet could easily penetrate your scrotem and cause your testicle to explode, you can thank the japanese for that one.

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From the oxford thesuarus the definition of a weapon.

Im sorry but that is one load of crap, a person who has a CCP licence has to be background checked, they wont just hand it out to you like a slice of bread, the people carrying these weapons know how and when to use them and would be trained to do so they dont let you loose with a gun unless you can use it properly. and i bet you most of them would carry them at night not during the mad rush of saturday shopping at the mall.

Whats more do you know how hard it is to buy an AK-47 in the UK? they are gold dust i have a de activated one it cost me £30 you could easily buy a truck load for £500 ($1000) but then you got to get them over the borders and how exactly? customs is incredibly tight here its hard enough to smuggle back a 8th of weed let alond a gun it will show up and you will spend a good 9 years inside for it.

Statistics in YOUR country show yes ok fine YOUR contry is it the same in somalia egypt UK germany russia? No its not, i can go to russia give a police man or customs £100 and guess what ive got myself a fully automatic AK74, just because in your country people can show restraint doesnt mean everyone can, i hold an unrestricted gun licence in the UK however the UK law does not allow you to hold a automatic weapon be it pistol rifle or machine gun in any capacity (live) you can have blank firing though.

In england it would be easier to get hold of an MP5 than an AK47 its just one gun that has never really made it in the UK, i have 1 of 3700 that are registerd in the UK and to prove it il post up pictures.

I can still use it as a weapon even if it doesnt fire.

Im guessing at this point that you're a Fire Arms Certificate holder then, Kapitan? At 1700fps I'd sure hope so, as that will be way over the 12ftlb limit imposed for airguns in the UK. Either that or you're using incerdibly lightweight pellets hehe, not prometheus piledrivers then? :hmm:

They are made in america funnily enough and yes im a fire arms licence holder, i have no restrictions on my licence, i normaly shoot 0.82g .22 magnum done rounds but hunting i use special rounds i dont have any at this second but i should get some by christmas but im in no hurry for them its winter.

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This is my AK-47S made in china but used by the russians and later the checks i bought this in St petersburg and paid £30 for it (and thats expencive!) i had to pay a further £176 duty and special carrage, and a £200 assesment which the police had to check the weapon to make sure it was fully de activated before allowing it into england, i bought the weapon decalred it at customs and didnt see or hear about it for 11 weeks.

My brother signed for it and it was issued its full certificate, and is legal.

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Even though its de activated this is still a real gun and can be re activated, its a show piece to me not anything more i have no intention of re activating it at all,but if i was to walk out of my house with this i can garentee i would not even get to the end of my road without getting shot!

When the police see or hear AK47 they wont even bother making you get down on your knees with hands on your heads they will just shoot.


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My leg how wonderful and hairy it is, see the black square well inside that is a scar you cant see it well due to the flash on the camera but that scar was from an airsoft gun firing steel rounds it was shot at my foot and re bounded up my leg and was imbedded in it, i spent 3 hours in hospital whilst the doctors had to numb the area to get it out, 3 hours 2 x rays and one painful and still bleeding leg later they got the round out it was only 5.5mm (.22) but it was a round ball that nearly caused alot of damage it it had gone much higher.

Deactivated guns have the firing pin removed and the barrel rendered incapable of holding or firing a projectile? I know the old bill are quite strict what qualifies as a deactivated weapon these days. It'll not be too long until all we can use if those round ended scissors you used to get a primary school :(

Is you ticket 'open' then or do you have specific land that is certified for centre or rimfire shooting?

Sorry to butt in, but we (they) are talking about airsoft guns, not air-pistols/rifles. Airsoft guns are powered by a mechanical spring that shoots plastic pellets at about 400 fps or less. The most they can give you is a nasty blood welt. They were built (although it does not say so directly) for fun use against properlly clothed (eye and ball-bag protection).

What you are describing, however, is an air-pistol. These shoot steel, copper, ceramic, or zinc-coated copper BBs at very high speeds. They are NOT intended to be shot at people for fun, but are rather used for a safer form of target practice and for small rodent removal. These ARE weapons (in the "killing people/gun-type" way).

Nice AK, too.

airsoft guns are supposed to legally fire 500 fps AND fire ONLY certified platic BB pellets.. 500 fps up close will penetrate outer skin.. from far away its the same as a paintball... not lethal but the welts hurt like hell..

i own this gun (airsoft)
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clearly a 330feet per second airsoft gun, also the 2500 round C drum magazine thats extra.. :arrgh!:

My AK has the firing pin welded to the inside of the gun and the barrel has been blocked, to be honest i could buy about 10 new AK's that fired for the price it would cost to buy the re activation kit.

My ticket is open as i use all diffrent classes of fire arms at millatery shows all over the country, also shoot on a friends land and in other places as well.

But even so i still wouldnt even carry a gun down the street, i have been tempted and come close but no.

Actualy you would be mistaken, most of my forefathers did not carry firearms around with them, and as for swords, you would have to go back a ways (ie medieval period) mostly for that. But the medival period were very bloody times with constant warefare, and duels and the like. Other then the occasional hunting or defensive rifle (mainly for bears) none of my family own any firearms. The only times we have ever used them is during times of war.

Also I'm not sure if Washington state is a good example unless you listed its demographics. Whats its poverty rate, population size and concentrations, average education level, average salary, employment rate, etc? All of these things are a much more significant factor then if civilians are walking around with concealed or displayed weapons. Also crime tends to be much lower in spread out populations (country/farmland) then inner city. Thats partly why suburbia has lower crime rates (other being suburbia usually is more affluent, educated, and financially stable).

Also legalizing public gun carry laws will increase the number of guns criminals have dramatically. Part of the problem US states that bar public carrying of firearms and the sale of pistols and other easily concealable weapons have are the states that have lax gun laws, that don't do background checks (most notorious being the gun peddlers at booths at gun fairs, which often don't even take your name when you buy a weapon). Most guns used in crimes can be traced back to this. Then you have people selling quasi legal conversion kits which convert a specific weapon from semi to full auto such as the TEC-9, Uzi, AK series, etc. Almost all automatic seized weapons by police are from out of state (or in state) sales, and have been converted, not sold by international arms dealers, or out of country weapon smugglers.

Now don't mistake me, I am not arguing for a all out ban on all firearms. But I do not think civilians should be allowed to roam the streets with concealed or unconcealed weapons unless their job makes it a requirement (ie security guard types). I don't have an issue with home defense weapons either (i have a set of swords I can use for that myself). There are also many many cases where normal people have been carrying firearms (legally or otherwise) and used them illegally, in acts of anger or rage, or mistaken threat. Also lets not forget all the murders that have happened at home committed by family members against on another or against friends using firearms. All the accidental shootings by civilians and police. Ignoring the real reasons for crime and arming everyone to the teeth will not make it go away. I sure as heck would not feel safer, I would be more worried that someone might not like what i was saying, or doing, or who i am, and decide (rationally, or irrationally) to draw a gun and try to put an end to me or just intimidate me. That I would be forced to put an end to them.

As for airsoft, yep you can use non "soft" shot in them, which does make them very dangerous. Though the original intent was for them to use soft shot (hence the name airsoft) for the purposes i described.