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Kaleu. Jochen Mohr 09-14-07 03:48 PM

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Hehe.

Five minutes of instant enlightenment. Precise, reasonable, and straight to the point:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPAC_cGVnUg

And never I will consider myself to be so high-sitting that I would tell somebody: "I forgive you."

he thinks just like me. :yep:

Happy Times 09-14-07 03:50 PM

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I don't think it is possible to truly have it right until you move on to the next "thing" (death).
It funny how dying is the thing that people happily wait in many religions.:D

Kaleu. Jochen Mohr 09-14-07 03:50 PM

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say. wasnt there a religion in ammerica about a flying spagheti monster ? :hmm:

Yes:
http://www.venganza.org/

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Open letter to Kansas school board

I am writing you with much concern after having read of your hearing to decide whether the alternative theory of Intelligent Design should be taught along with the theory of Evolution. I think we can all agree that it is important for students to hear multiple viewpoints so they can choose for themselves the theory that makes the most sense to them. I am concerned, however, that students will only hear one theory of Intelligent Design.
Let us remember that there are multiple theories of Intelligent Design. I and many others around the world are of the strong belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. It was He who created all that we see and all that we feel. We feel strongly that the overwhelming scientific evidence pointing towards evolutionary processes is nothing but a coincidence, put in place by Him.
It is for this reason that I’m writing you today, to formally request that this alternative theory be taught in your schools, along with the other two theories. In fact, I will go so far as to say, if you do not agree to do this, we will be forced to proceed with legal action. I’m sure you see where we are coming from. If the Intelligent Design theory is not based on faith, but instead another scientific theory, as is claimed, then you must also allow our theory to be taught, as it is also based on science, not on faith.
Some find that hard to believe, so it may be helpful to tell you a little more about our beliefs. We have evidence that a Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe. None of us, of course, were around to see it, but we have written accounts of it. We have several lengthy volumes explaining all details of His power. Also, you may be surprised to hear that there are over 10 million of us, and growing. We tend to be very secretive, as many people claim our beliefs are not substantiated by observable evidence. What these people don’t understand is that He built the world to make us think the earth is older than it really is. For example, a scientist may perform a carbon-dating process on an artifact. He finds that approximately 75% of the Carbon-14 has decayed by electron emission to Nitrogen-14, and infers that this artifact is approximately 10,000 years old, as the half-life of Carbon-14 appears to be 5,730 years. But what our scientist does not realize is that every time he makes a measurement, the Flying Spaghetti Monster is there changing the results with His Noodly Appendage. We have numerous texts that describe in detail how this can be possible and the reasons why He does this. He is of course invisible and can pass through normal matter with ease.
I’m sure you now realize how important it is that your students are taught this alternate theory. It is absolutely imperative that they realize that observable evidence is at the discretion of a Flying Spaghetti Monster. Furthermore, it is disrespectful to teach our beliefs without wearing His chosen outfit, which of course is full pirate regalia. I cannot stress the importance of this enough, and unfortunately cannot describe in detail why this must be done as I fear this letter is already becoming too long. The concise explanation is that He becomes angry if we don’t.
You may be interested to know that global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters are a direct effect of the shrinking numbers of Pirates since the 1800s. For your interest, I have included a graph of the approximate number of pirates versus the average global temperature over the last 200 years. As you can see, there is a statistically significant inverse relationship between pirates and global temperature.
http://www.venganza.org/piratesarecool4.gif
In conclusion, thank you for taking the time to hear our views and beliefs. I hope I was able to convey the importance of teaching this theory to your students. We will of course be able to train the teachers in this alternate theory. I am eagerly awaiting your response, and hope dearly that no legal action will need to be taken. I think we can all look forward to the time when these three theories are given equal time in our science classrooms across the country, and eventually the world; One third time for Intelligent Design, one third time for Flying Spaghetti Monsterism, and one third time for logical conjecture based on overwhelming observable evidence.
Sincerely Yours,
Bobby Henderson, concerned citizen.
P.S. I have included an artistic drawing of Him creating a mountain, trees, and a midget. Remember, we are all His creatures.
http://www.venganza.org/him2.jpg

May the flying spagetti monster with you. Ramen!

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
stupid ppl

Skybird 09-14-07 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaleu. Jochen Mohr
stupid ppl

Not really. Bobby henderson is professor for physics and has launched this movement in protest against the demands of fundamentalists to teach creationism in schools as if creationism does have any scientific component to offer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster



And if you liked the video, here is more (23 all in all):

http://www.youtube.com/patcondell

Most are extremely well-done and straight to the point, only some are not as good as the others. You my like this one especially:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4mWiqkGy-Y

Kaleu. Jochen Mohr 09-14-07 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird
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Originally Posted by Kaleu. Jochen Mohr
stupid ppl

Not really. Bobby henderson is professor for physics and has launched this movement in protest against the demands of fundamentalists to teach creationism in schools as if creationism does have any scientific component to offer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster



And if you liked the video, here is more (23 all in all):

http://www.youtube.com/patcondell

Most are extremely well-done and straight to the point, only some are not as good as the others. You my like this one especially:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4mWiqkGy-Y

seen some of them. he's bloody right. :yep:
subscribing to that person right away

Happy Times 09-14-07 04:41 PM

A classic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6B9Gl...elated&search=

:rotfl:

Skybird 09-14-07 05:09 PM

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"I want my god!"
That's what it pretty much is about, right? From several years of experience in "training" people in meditation (o put it into any words) I can say that all too many people do not really wish to find any reality or truth - they just seek comfort from being confirmed in what they themselves imagine what truth and reality is. This is tragic. Especially members of theistic religions do not really wish to find out about god - instead they have a picture in their head, self-constructed, and only want to be confirmed in their belief that this self-constucted picture of their god is correct, so they must not change themselves, and take the effort to learn to ask questions. Often, their gods are distorted reflections of how they wish to see themselves. It is pointless to try to discuss with them. I eventually managed to help some people making alternative perceptions of reality that caused doubt and shook their beliefs, by setting an example which they copied, more or less, or not. Of 200-300 people that came over the years and joined the "course" (just to give it some name), only two ever broke through this barrier.

Needless to say that you can't reach very far with all those many beliefs and pictures in your head. The more things you carry in your rucksack, the more exhausting your travelling will be. Or like they use to say in Zen: if you don't empty your cup before filling in new tea, all you get is a wet table.

"I want my god!" :D God, I want her to regain her sanity. :lol:

We're laughing. But in reality - she is tragic.

Fish 09-14-07 05:30 PM

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A little ironic that that passage is from the most printed book in the world.

It's hear-say anyway, and between the fixing of the gospels in writing, and the life of Jesus lay more than 70 years, that is 2 generations. Someobdy called the gosepls "70 years of Chinese whispers" for that reason, but at least parts of the gospels make much more sense and reveal far greater reaosn than the rest of the bible. I would say that at least about the sermon on the mountain. If you cut away all the rest of the bible, I would say it is no loss, and if it would have been done earlier, and there would have been no Bible and no Quran from the beginning, than mankind probably would have been far better off in general. In the end, all I ask for is reason, and desist from missionizing and trying to make somebody else's decisions for him (no matter what your motive is). Your freedom to believe what you want ends where you start to limit the freedom of the other.

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Epistles from the Christian Scriptures (New Testament): http://www.religioustolerance.org/_t...o/topbul2d.gifLiberal theologians believe that some of these were written as late as 150 CE, up to 4 generations after Jesus' death, by authors who were not eye witnesses of his ministry. Those writers could have based their letters on traditional sayings attributed to Jesus which dated from an earlier era. An analysis by G.A. Wells showed to his satisfaction that the authors definitely believed in the existence of Jesus, but did not cite any evidence that he lived in the 1st century.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcno.htm

Happy Times 09-14-07 05:35 PM

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We're laughing. But in reality - she is tragic.
True, it hurt to look at her children, the youngest especially.:nope:

Chock 09-14-07 06:49 PM

If you really believe that some benevolent all powerful being in charge of creating and running the entire universe got in touch with you to point out that it was going to be windy, and then despite being benevolent, neglected to warn someone else - who was subsequently killed by that same wind - then I'd recommend you seek psychiatric help.

Just ask yourself which is the more likely explanation: schizophrenia, or the (supposed) creator of the universe getting in touch with you?

You're entitled to believe it of course, and I'm sure many 'religious' people will also swallow it. But frankly, the mere fact that a lot of people in the world believe that kind of thing doesn't make it any less preposterous, just more prevalent.

My personal belief is that it's no wonder the world is in trouble when people who believe this kind of thing are allowed to vote.

:D Chock

Skybird 09-14-07 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Letum
A little ironic that that passage is from the most printed book in the world.

It's hear-say anyway, and between the fixing of the gospels in writing, and the life of Jesus lay more than 70 years, that is 2 generations. Someobdy called the gosepls "70 years of Chinese whispers" for that reason, but at least parts of the gospels make much more sense and reveal far greater reaosn than the rest of the bible. I would say that at least about the sermon on the mountain. If you cut away all the rest of the bible, I would say it is no loss, and if it would have been done earlier, and there would have been no Bible and no Quran from the beginning, than mankind probably would have been far better off in general. In the end, all I ask for is reason, and desist from missionizing and trying to make somebody else's decisions for him (no matter what your motive is). Your freedom to believe what you want ends where you start to limit the freedom of the other.

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Epistles from the Christian Scriptures (New Testament): http://www.religioustolerance.org/_t...o/topbul2d.gifLiberal theologians believe that some of these were written as late as 150 CE, up to 4 generations after Jesus' death, by authors who were not eye witnesses of his ministry. Those writers could have based their letters on traditional sayings attributed to Jesus which dated from an earlier era. An analysis by G.A. Wells showed to his satisfaction that the authors definitely believed in the existence of Jesus, but did not cite any evidence that he lived in the 1st century.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcno.htm

Interesting, but no matter wether Jesus lived for real or not, he is dead since 2000 years and is not meant to ever come back. That's why I always refuse to join that personal cult around him, and refer only to some small parts of the bible that eventually I cvonsider to be reasonable and respectable BY THIER CONTENT. If Jesus lived for real or not, is relatively unimporant for me. the story around him, fictional or real, is no illustration of events by which man has been freed from taking responsibility for himself. The story only illustrates in what way we need to pick up and accept that responsibility. In other words: the story of his crucification does not mean that there was a man dying in our place, and now we are forgiven once and for all. It only means he died to hint us the way that nevertheless we need to go ourselves. Pick up your cross and carry it yourself. In plain English: accept the responsibility for your life, for your deeds, your thoughts, and the consequences you cause in the world, for they will fall back onto you in some way. From here, it is not far to the Karma idea in Asian philosophy.

August 09-14-07 08:16 PM

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Interesting, but no matter wether Jesus lived for real or not, he is dead since 2000 years and is not meant to ever come back.

Actually that's not correct, nearly every sect of Christianity believes in a second coming of Christ at some point.

Skybird 09-15-07 04:19 AM

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Interesting, but no matter wether Jesus lived for real or not, he is dead since 2000 years and is not meant to ever come back.

Actually that's not correct, nearly every sect of Christianity believes in a second coming of Christ at some point.

I know, but shall they believe what they want, and wait until all hell freezes over. You are free to believe what you want, i mean. Believing is not knowing. On every third Friday and on weekends in July I for example take the freedom to believe that the sky is green and the grass is blue.

But I could of course believe something different, too. Believing is not knowing, and indicates the absence of knowledge (for where you have knowledge you do not depend on blindly believing anything anymore. but many people deceive themselves on what they believe they know...). The act means systematically taking the unexamined and unexaminable for serious and real and true knowledge - where the truth is it is the most shallow way to experience and to live your life, that way you hinder yourself from gaining knowledge..

Don't get me started on believing! It served nothing good to mankind. It's like driving fast on the highway with closed eyes.

Take a nicotine pill instead. :)

Kapitan_Phillips 09-15-07 04:21 AM

Confucious say: He who farts in church, sits in own pew.

Skybird 09-15-07 04:23 AM

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Confucious say: He who farts in church, sits in own pew.

Ah, that's why Christians used to sit with stone-like faces in their church, and show no sign of humour! :D


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