SUBSIM Radio Room Forums

SUBSIM Radio Room Forums (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/index.php)
-   General Topics (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/forumdisplay.php?f=175)
-   -   Madeleine moves the world (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=121901)

Tchocky 09-11-07 04:32 PM

http://missingkids.co.uk/missingkids...Country=en_GB&

Jimbuna 09-11-07 04:39 PM

Just one simple question if I may (respectfully of course)

Just how many of the contributors in this thread have been trained in criminal investigation techniques or even been involved in what is fast evolving into a murder enquiry ? :hmm:

I must admit to be leaning on the side of agreeing with Chocks latest post.

Penelope_Grey 09-11-07 05:02 PM

Got to confess I have not even came close to any kind of training. I am merely thinking aloud. I am a firm believer in the old saying Arthur Conan Doyle once wrote "If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains however improbable MUST be the truth."

The whole situation from day 1 has smacked me as odd.

Skybird 09-11-07 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbuna
Just one simple question if I may (respectfully of course)

Just how many of the contributors in this thread have been trained in criminal investigation techniques or even been involved in what is fast evolving into a murder enquiry ? :hmm:

I must admit to be leaning on the side of agreeing with Chocks latest post.

Quote:
What do you make of it all? What is your guts feeling?
Quote end.

Nobody here asked for a criminal examination. It's about how the media coverage and presentation of information have mad people to assume this or that theory.

Skybird 09-11-07 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Penelope_Grey
"If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains however improbable MUST be the truth."

One of my favourites.

Not that it could be applied here. Nobody of us is involved in the events, and could actively engage in "eliminating the impossible". for example Portugese media said their police has DNA traces in the blood they found that can be clearly linked to the girl. Scotland Yard also examined (and claimed to have found) these traces, and in no way can make a sure link of the DNA to that of the girl. Nobody of us here can eliminate any of these statements. We just get influenced by the barrage of media fire, and come to opinions that probably are irrational.

Jimbuna 09-12-07 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird
Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbuna
Just one simple question if I may (respectfully of course)

Just how many of the contributors in this thread have been trained in criminal investigation techniques or even been involved in what is fast evolving into a murder enquiry ? :hmm:

I must admit to be leaning on the side of agreeing with Chocks latest post.

Quote:
What do you make of it all? What is your guts feeling?
Quote end.

Nobody here asked for a criminal examination. It's about how the media coverage and presentation of information have mad people to assume this or that theory.

I stopped taking notice of the media a long time ago. :nope:

TteFAboB 09-13-07 04:35 PM

So who else voted for the girl was the victim of a crime and the parents tried to find her with me? I just noticed that our option, whoever my companion is, suffers from a major lack of credibility, much more so than the mysterious reserved option.

Skybird 09-13-07 05:40 PM

I explained the reserve option a bit earlier, post #9. It was meant to give me the opportunity to add another option just in case somebody tells me "Hey Sky, your forgot this scenario". Then I would have told you to use the reserve option in this specific meaning. you can't chnage the poll options in writing oince they have been set up, so that's why I tried this workaround.

If you want to do maths on the poll, you need to count the reserve votings as invalid.

Why so many people voted for "reserve" right now without having a clue what it is there for is beyond me. Probably the same guys still go to political elections :lol: and also do not know what it is good for :rotfl:

Edit:
Okay, for I am bored, had one glass of wine too much, and played around with my calculator - currently the poll looks like this (if corrected for the 7 invalid "reserve" votes):

n=29 (reduced from 36)

1.) normal going - 6.8 %
2.) parents cover perpetrator - 0.0
3.) parents intentionally murdered her - 6.8 %
4.) parents accidentally killed her - 37.9 %
5.) parents became victim of police intrigue - 17.2 %
6.) not interested in the matter - 20.7 %
7.) other opinion 10.4 %

Hakahura 09-13-07 05:54 PM

Maybe people do understand Skybird.
Reserve, as in Reserve Judgement.

Once again, I find this thread very distasteful.
Polling on the possible guilt of parents, whos childs death, has not been substantiated.:nope:

Kapitan_Phillips 09-13-07 06:09 PM

Hakahura, I understand where you're coming from, yet this is an internet forum where current affairs are commonly debated. A poll of this kind was only a matter of time considering how much press the Madeleine case has garnered, particularly here in England. Its not a distasteful poll, its one that wishes to gather opinions, not conclusions from the people of Subsim.

Skybird 09-13-07 06:26 PM

Also note what I said somewhere above: this poll is not to illustrate the truth in the criminal investigation, but how media impressions have formed people's opinions - although nobody here has any subvstantial insight to for that opinion in a substantial way.

Maybe people feel cheated a bit, for I did not say that from the beginning, but that was intentional. Saying it in advance would have spoiled it. If people would have been consistent, they all would have voted for "other opinion", or not voted at all. But that so many did form an opinion is something that from a psychological perpective is interesting, because for a rational opinion they simply lack the insight and trustworthy information.

I frankly admit that for some short time I stepped into that trap myself, too.

Jimbuna 09-14-07 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird
Also note what I said somewhere above: this poll is not to illustrate the truth in the criminal investigation, but how media impressions have formed people's opinions - although nobody here has any subvstantial insight to for that opinion in a substantial way.

Maybe people feel cheated a bit, for I did not say that from the beginning, but that was intentional. Saying it in advance would have spoiled it. If people would have been consistent, they all would have voted for "other opinion", or not voted at all. But that so many did form an opinion is something that from a psychological perpective is interesting, because for a rational opinion they simply lack the insight and trustworthy information.

I frankly admit that for some short time I stepped into that trap myself, too.

:hmm: The world evolves around, amongst so many other things including opinions, rationalisations and peceptions.

kurtz 09-16-07 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird
Ehem, guys - pardon, but while the 7th option >other opinion< is self-explanatory, the 8th >reserve option< was meant as a reserve only, in case somebody tells me that I have left out one option, so that I could post a hint and say that the reserve means this or that - you can't alter poll options once they had been set up.

Please do not use the reserve option.

Unfortunately I took this as reserve opinion (no glasses and sympathetic to typos) which is different to no opinion, I suggest this is true for a lot of people so should be included in your results.

Skybird 09-16-07 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kurtz
Unfortunately I took this as reserve opinion (no glasses and sympathetic to typos) which is different to no opinion, I suggest this is true for a lot of people so should be included in your results.

After you have found your glasses again you will see that it does not read "no opinion" but "other opinion". :lol:
I take into account that some evil wicked slime monsters used the opportunity to sidekick at me by messing up my beautiful beloved cuty-poll when picking the reserve option intentionally. Shall they burn in hell and watch on Diabolo-TV their girls being married by that fella they disliked the most all their life. And let them know that I used their new car to roll over that dog of theirs. :arrgh!:

kurtz 09-16-07 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird
Quote:

Originally Posted by kurtz
Unfortunately I took this as reserve opinion (no glasses and sympathetic to typos) which is different to no opinion, I suggest this is true for a lot of people so should be included in your results.

After you have found your glasses again you will see that it does not read "no opinion" but "other opinion". :lol:

Guilty as charged :oops: but i maintain my original premise reserved opinion is different to other opinion.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:56 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 1995- 2025 Subsim®
"Subsim" is a registered trademark, all rights reserved.