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A6Intruder 09-02-07 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigboywooly
Really ? Didnt Romania and Turkey have them also

75 FW-190A-3s were supplied to Turkey in 1942:1943 as "FW-190Aa-3s", the type flying in Turkish service until 1948.
The Romanians received a number of FW-190s beginning in 1943 for service as interceptors.
Beginning in the next year, 1944, the Hungarians were given at least 72 FW-190Fs for the Schlacht role to help fight the Red Army.
The Japanese obtained a few FW-190s for evaluation as a step towards license production, but decided against it.
The Allies captured numbers of FW-190s during the war, with the aircraft generally used for comparative evaluation, but the Soviets acquired enough Dora-Nines to actually equip a few operational squadrons with the type for a short time after the war.

http://www.vectorsite.net/avfw190.html

One of a couple of sites that give the same info

No Italians though JU :oops:


Hi Bigboy,
Turkey did not belog to the Axis. Japan did not send them to service, as you wrote, and Romania did not (as far as i know, and i have not seen any picture of an Romanian Fw190 with "Factorymarkings". All Pictures i know show them with overpainted german markings) recive "legaly" Fw 190. They used some who were left on german airfields after they turned sides.
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/2...26largeew1.jpg

The Sowjets captured them as you wrote and did not got them from the germans.
:yep:

bigboywooly 09-02-07 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A6Intruder
Quote:

Originally Posted by bigboywooly
Really ? Didnt Romania and Turkey have them also

75 FW-190A-3s were supplied to Turkey in 1942:1943 as "FW-190Aa-3s", the type flying in Turkish service until 1948.
The Romanians received a number of FW-190s beginning in 1943 for service as interceptors.
Beginning in the next year, 1944, the Hungarians were given at least 72 FW-190Fs for the Schlacht role to help fight the Red Army.
The Japanese obtained a few FW-190s for evaluation as a step towards license production, but decided against it.
The Allies captured numbers of FW-190s during the war, with the aircraft generally used for comparative evaluation, but the Soviets acquired enough Dora-Nines to actually equip a few operational squadrons with the type for a short time after the war.

http://www.vectorsite.net/avfw190.html

One of a couple of sites that give the same info

No Italians though JU :oops:


Hi Bigboy,
Turkey did not belog to the Axis. Japan did not send them to service, as you wrote, and Romania did not (as far as i know, and i have not seen any picture of an Romanian Fw190 with "Factorymarkings". All Pictures i know show them with overpainted german markings) recive "legaly" Fw 190. They used some who were left on german airfields after they turned sides.
The Sowjets captured them as you wrote and did not got them from the germans.
:yep:

No Turkey were not in the Axis but you said only Hungary got 190s

For Romanian 190s check out "Rumanian Air Force - The Prime Decade"
And while the Japs didnt fly the 190 they used the technology in it to build the Kawasaki Ki-100 :up:

A6Intruder 09-02-07 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigboywooly
Quote:

Originally Posted by A6Intruder
Quote:

Originally Posted by bigboywooly
Really ? Didnt Romania and Turkey have them also

75 FW-190A-3s were supplied to Turkey in 1942:1943 as "FW-190Aa-3s", the type flying in Turkish service until 1948.
The Romanians received a number of FW-190s beginning in 1943 for service as interceptors.
Beginning in the next year, 1944, the Hungarians were given at least 72 FW-190Fs for the Schlacht role to help fight the Red Army.
The Japanese obtained a few FW-190s for evaluation as a step towards license production, but decided against it.
The Allies captured numbers of FW-190s during the war, with the aircraft generally used for comparative evaluation, but the Soviets acquired enough Dora-Nines to actually equip a few operational squadrons with the type for a short time after the war.

http://www.vectorsite.net/avfw190.html

One of a couple of sites that give the same info

No Italians though JU :oops:


Hi Bigboy,
Turkey did not belog to the Axis. Japan did not send them to service, as you wrote, and Romania did not (as far as i know, and i have not seen any picture of an Romanian Fw190 with "Factorymarkings". All Pictures i know show them with overpainted german markings) recive "legaly" Fw 190. They used some who were left on german airfields after they turned sides.
The Sowjets captured them as you wrote and did not got them from the germans.
:yep:

No Turkey were not in the Axis but you said only Hungary got 190s

For Romanian 190s check out "Rumanian Air Force - The Prime Decade"
And while the Japs didnt fly the 190 they used the technology in it to build the Kawasaki Ki-100 :up:

On the Romanian Air Force- The Prime Decade is there something to find in to the net or is it a book? I am very intrested to see legaly delivered 190er with Romanian markings.
With Tuekey you are right but i thought about combat nations of the axis.

bigboywooly 09-02-07 02:31 PM

No tis a book
There are none on the net I know of

lutzow 09-02-07 06:54 PM

Ok. Installed & checked. Here is FW190A5 - CREATOR : Psy06
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/2632/75254078oc5.png
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/3636/10937006dp3.png
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/4840/11558421hp7.png
Beauty plane.
Thank you Bigboywooly.

jaxa 09-03-07 09:34 AM

Fw190A5 looks fantastic :up:

JScones 09-04-07 04:17 AM

1. I think the point as to how Romania came across the Fw 190's is moot. At the least, they pressed into service 22 captured ex-Luftwaffe planes. They hastily repainted them, some with pro-Axis markings, some with pro-Allied, and used them as trainers (as "mock enemy"). This is supported online at this link as well as in the book BBW refers to (and other hard copy sources I have). All 22 were surrendered to the Russians in late-1944.

I have also come across evidence in my travels of Germany "loaning" Fw 190A's to Romania. But I think this is misleading. When I can be bothered I'll dig it out, but if my memory serves me correctly, these were attached to Luftflotte 4 where they undertook a defensive interceptory role around Konstanza, and maintained German markings. Whether this is true, I have yet to find 100% evidence, but I have found separate pieces of unrelated evidence to suggest this is what occurred. Certainly plausible considering there are only two or three known photos of Fw 190's carrying Romanian markings and they are of the captured plane variety.

Either way, in a black-and-white sense, Romania had at least 22 Fw 190s between August and October 1944. Should they be added to Romania's roster? Yep, how a country got the planes should be irrelevant. Otherwise some of the planes attached to some of the current countries (like the neutrals) should be removed too. ;) Although this could be counter argued by the fact that for the 22 planes that we have arguable proof for, none ever fired a shot in anger. Should they be scripted? Nup, not at all. Never used in anger.

Of course, adding Fw 190's to German bases in the Black Sea region would not be a problem.

2. Italy using Fw 190s? Nup. Not at all. I mean, a Norwegian pilot did once claim to have shot down an Italian Fw 190, but that has always been disputed. In any event, they were used in North Africa predominantly by the Luftwaffe's II./J.G.2.

XKiller 09-04-07 06:44 AM

Maybe helpful...

If I'm not sure of a particular plane having served with one country, I go over to WINGS PALETTE http://wp.scn.ru/en and take a look at the planes profiles to see if the country is listed. Of course not a 100% proof.

JScones 09-04-07 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XKiller
Maybe helpful...

If I'm not sure of a particular plane having served with one country, I go over to WINGS PALETTE http://wp.scn.ru/en and take a look at the planes profiles to see if the country is listed. Of course not a 100% proof.

Yeah, that site can be helpful, but as you inferred, it can also be quite misleading if not supported by collaborating evidence. But utilised as one piece of the overall puzzle, it's a handy reference site. Certainly one I use quite often.

There was an online site that I liked to use for a "quick indication" of plane usage by different countries (it was always fairly accurate too when compared to other sources), but it no longer seems to be around. :(

Fortunately my written reference library is merely an arm's length away...well, atm technically *two* arm's lengths away, LOL!

A6Intruder 09-04-07 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XKiller
Maybe helpful...

If I'm not sure of a particular plane having served with one country, I go over to WINGS PALETTE http://wp.scn.ru/en and take a look at the planes profiles to see if the country is listed. Of course not a 100% proof.

Interesting page it shows my model of an captured Romanian Fw 190. My reference is a Squadron Signal Special about Romanian Air Force in WWII.
http://www.airwar.ru/transfer/grisha.../pics/12_1.jpg


Until now i have not heared or seen anything about "legaly" Romanian Fw 190. If anyone has pictures please share it with me.
But I think that there will be no proof!:roll:
Kind regards.


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