Thanks for the responses guys. :up: If the figure 8 is meant to be there, than no probs. I like this mod, it :rock: Now for the screen rendering, I have the monitor and game both set to 1280 x 800 @ 60Hz and the black area at the top is still there. I've tried it with different monitor res also. There's no point changing the res of the game unless I want to go back to less than 10 fps but that's another issue.

What I did fail to mention also was that has anyone noticed a framerate drop when looking through the scopes, binocs and UZO at zoom factor? Mine seems to skip a frame and is creating a slight havoc on the cpu.

http://www.team-sk187.com/tf2server/orangebox/2.jpg

http://www.team-sk187.com/tf2server/orangebox/1.jpg

if thats any good to you ill send you my 1024x768.ini , but youll have to find the relevent lines for tbt and binocs yourself and copy them into yours as mine is a custom nightmare :) i have stuff added everywhere

res above was 1280x800 before i scaled it down to post

i think below brings it closer and loses the strip on the tbt, but im not 100% sure done months ago

[G28 I120]
Name=Background
Type=1030;Static bmp
ItemID=0x28000001
ParentID=0x28000000
Pos=0,0,1024,768
Zone= 0 768 1024 768 5 1 0x28000000 0.5 -0.5 0x28000001 -0.5 0.5 0 0
;Zone= 0 768 1024 768 1 1 0x28000000 0.5 -0.5 0x28000001 -0.5 0.5 0 0
Color=0xFFFFFFFF
Materials=1
Display=2;Linear
Mat 0=data/menu/gui/Betterscopes/TBT.dds
;Mat 0=data/menu/gui/layout/tbt_1024.tga
Crop 0=0,0.125,1,0.75
MatFlags=0x9
TexFmt=0x0

I think it would be better if the binocular and TBT images were circular rather than the 'horizontal 8' image we always get in games. I've never looked through a pair of USN issue binocs or a TBT, but every other pair of binocs I've ever looked through did not have a figure 8 image. Its not possible AFAIK because your brain places the two images together giving you a stereoscopic image. The advantage of this over a telescopic image is that it gives you greater depth perception, a telescopic image appears flat compared to a stereoscopic image.

Thanks for that. I'll test it out 2nite when I get home from work.

Thanks for that. It does bring it closer but the strip is still there. It is as if the UZO is behind the strip.

ok well ive checked against the better scopes .ini and i seem to have an aweful lot of lines refering to background & binoculars_empty that it doesnt have so here they are.


[G28 I3]
Name=Background right
Type=1030;Static bmp
ItemID=0x28FF0004
ParentID=0x28FF0000
Pos=749,-68,275,564
Zone= 749 1468 275 564 2 1 0x28FF0013 1 1 0x28FF0004 0 0 0 0
Color=0x8C
Materials=1
Display=2;Linear
Mat 0=data/menu/gui/betterscopes/binocular_empty.dds
;Mat 0=data/menu/gui/Binocular.tga
Crop 0=0.00195313,0.00195313,0.779297,0.00195313
MatFlags=0x29
TexFmt=0x0

[G28 I4]
Name=Background left
Type=1030;Static bmp
ItemID=0x28FF0003
ParentID=0x28FF0000
Pos=0,-68,29,564
Zone= 0 1468 29 564 2 1 0x28FF0011 -0.0805556 0 0x28FF0003 0 0 0 0
Color=0x8C
Materials=1
Display=2;Linear
Mat 0=data/menu/gui/betterscopes/binocular_empty.dds
;Mat 0=data/menu/gui/Binocular.tga
Crop 0=0.00195313,0.00195313,0.779297,0.00195313
MatFlags=0x29
TexFmt=0x0

[G28 I5]
Name=Background top
Type=1030;Static bmp
ItemID=0x28FF0002
ParentID=0x28FF0000
Pos=0,0,1024,68
Zone= 0 1536 1024 68 5 1 0x28FF0011 -0.0805556 0.241135 0x28FF0002 0 0 0 0
Color=0x8C
Materials=1
Display=2;Linear
Mat 0=data/menu/gui/betterscopes/binocular_empty.dds
;Mat 0=data/menu/gui/Binocular.tga
Crop 0=0.00195313,0.00195313,0.779297,0.00195313
MatFlags=0x29
TexFmt=0x0

[G28 I6]
Name=Background bottom
Type=1030;Static bmp
ItemID=0x28FF0001
ParentID=0x28FF0000
Pos=0,-632,1024,136
Zone= 0 904 1024 136 5 1 0x28FF0014 -0.0805556 -1 0x28FF0001 0 0 0 0
Color=0x8C
Materials=1
Display=2;Linear
Mat 0=data/menu/gui/betterscopes/binocular_empty.dds
;Mat 0=data/menu/gui/Binocular.tga
Crop 0=0.00195313,0.00195313,0.779297,0.00195313
MatFlags=0x29
TexFmt=0x0

[G28 I7]
Name=Background bottom right
Type=1030;Static bmp
ItemID=0x28FF0013
ParentID=0x28FF0000
Pos=389,-350,360,282
Zone= 389 1186 360 282 5 1 0x28FF0014 1 0 0x28FF0013 0 0 0 0
Color=0x8C
Materials=1
Display=2;Linear
Mat 0=data/menu/gui/betterscopes/binocular_empty.dds
;Mat 0=data/menu/gui/Binocular.tga
Crop 0=1,1,-1,-1
MatFlags=0x29
TexFmt=0x0

[G28 I8]
Name=Background bottom left
Type=1030;Static bmp
ItemID=0x28FF0014
ParentID=0x28FF0000
Pos=29,-350,360,282
Zone= 29 1186 360 282 5 1 0x28FF0011 0 -1 0x28FF0014 0 0 0 0
Color=0x8C
Materials=1
Display=2;Linear
Mat 0=data/menu/gui/betterscopes/binocular_empty.dds
;Mat 0=data/menu/gui/Binocular.tga
Crop 0=0.00195313,1,1,-1
MatFlags=0x29
TexFmt=0x0

[G28 I9]
Name=Background top right
Type=1030;Static bmp
ItemID=0x28FF0012
ParentID=0x28FF0000
Pos=389,-68,360,282
Zone= 389 1468 360 282 5 1 0x28FF0011 1 0 0x28FF0012 0 0 0 0
Color=0x8C
Materials=1
Display=2;Linear
Mat 0=data/menu/gui/betterscopes/binocular_empty.dds
;Mat 0=data/menu/gui/Binocular.tga
Crop 0=1,0,-1,1
MatFlags=0x29
TexFmt=0x0

[G28 I10]
Name=Background top left
Type=1030;Static bmp
ItemID=0x28FF0011
ParentID=0x28FF0000
Pos=29,-68,360,282
Zone= 29 1468 360 282 5 1 0x28FF0000 0.0283203 -0.0885417 0x28FF0011 0 0 0 0
Color=0x8C
Materials=1
Display=2;Linear
Mat 0=data/menu/gui/betterscopes/binocular_empty.dds
;Mat 0=data/menu/gui/Binocular.tga
Crop 0=0.00195313,0,1,1
MatFlags=0x29
TexFmt=0x0

again im quessing because of the time span since i tried this, & im not even sure if the game uses the binocular_empty as a background on the tbt . but i cant see these giving you errors if you try them, anyway if they do im sure your smart enough to back up 1st.


i also have this that doesnt match, but as i remember i think its removing x hair from bino view


[G27 I12]
Name=Viewport
Type=1030;Static bmp
ItemID=0x27000001
ParentID=0x27000000
;Pos=32,-53,960,586
;Zone= 32 715 960 586 5 1 0x27010000 0.5 -0.45 0x27000001 -0.5 0.5 0 0
;Color=0xFFFFFF00
;Materials=1
;Display=2;Linear
;Mat 0=data/menu/gui/layout/bkgr.tga
;Crop 0=0,0,4,4
;MatFlags=0x1
;TexFmt=0x0

it could also be the message box ie the sliders been removed and its starting up not transparrant ,try this to start it transparrant.

[G3F I249]
Name=Bkgr capture
Type=1031;Stat bmp array
ItemID=0x3F2A00FF
ParentID=0x3F2A0000
Pos=0,0,350,94
Zone= 256 764 350 94 0 1 0x3F2A0000 0.5 -1 0x3F2A00FF -0.5 1 0 0
Color=0xFFFFFF00
Materials=1
Display=2;Linear
Mat 0=data/menu/data/black.tga
Crop 0=0,0,0.5,0.5
MatFlags=0x1
TexFmt=0x0
Drag=false
BmpState=1
NeedFocus=true
SelOne=false
IdGroup=0
StatesColors=0xFFFFFFFF, 0xFFFFFFFF, 0xFFFFFFFF, 0xFFFFFFFF

Cheers De@dMe@t, I'll check it out 2night. If all else fails, I can always revert the TBT back to stock.

http://www.team-sk187.com/tf2server/orangebox/sh1.jpg


i took the 8 out if you want it let me know and ill post the dds, i sorta mixed the si optics tbt up with the better scopes one and ended up with this. though you do get an exta bearing line, ill see what i can do about that & the binos too, but no promises im very rusty.

Now that is neat stuff De@dMe@t. That would be great if I could have that. The Bino and the scopes are just fine. Just the TBT would be great. :up:

Update: By adding Mat 0=data/menu/gui/betterscopes/binocular_empty.dds and disabling the other field, that solved the strip issue. Thanks for your help De@dMe@t :up: