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06-11-07 07:43 PM

[quote=Heibges]
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Originally Posted by waste gate
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Originally Posted by robbo180265
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Originally Posted by waste gate
Lawyers are reserved for criminals charged with a crime under US law, those at GTMO haven't been charged b/c they are not criminals but enemy combatants. Most will not be charged and like any other war, POWs are held until the end of hostilities...............

What part of INNOCENT do you not understand???

Without access to a trial there might well be INNOCENT people in there - I'm interested in your thoughts on that?

How many thousands of enemy combatants were innocent in past wars? Those people were held in custody until the end of hostilities with no lawyers. Were they not?



No. England held thousands of Germans in illegal captivity until the early 1950's


But they were release at the end of hostilities, perhaps not immediately, but released non the less and not executed.

robbo180265 06-11-07 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Heibges
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Originally Posted by waste gate
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Originally Posted by robbo180265
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Originally Posted by waste gate
Lawyers are reserved for criminals charged with a crime under US law, those at GTMO haven't been charged b/c they are not criminals but enemy combatants. Most will not be charged and like any other war, POWs are held until the end of hostilities...............

What part of INNOCENT do you not understand???

Without access to a trial there might well be INNOCENT people in there - I'm interested in your thoughts on that?

How many thousands of enemy combatants were innocent in past wars? Those people were held in custody until the end of hostilities with no lawyers. Were they not?

No. England held thousands of Germans in illegal captivity until the early 1950's.

You could be right, and I agree that would have been wrong too. But these people would have all been POW's , not civilians plucked from the streets(or a country America has invaded),flown by the CIA half way across the world,tortured (allegedly) and then banged up in a prison where they have no-way of proving their innocence.

Not really the same is it ?

I can't believe we're having this discussion- I really can't.

06-11-07 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by robbo180265
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Originally Posted by Heibges
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Originally Posted by waste gate
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Originally Posted by robbo180265
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Originally Posted by waste gate
Lawyers are reserved for criminals charged with a crime under US law, those at GTMO haven't been charged b/c they are not criminals but enemy combatants. Most will not be charged and like any other war, POWs are held until the end of hostilities...............

What part of INNOCENT do you not understand???

Without access to a trial there might well be INNOCENT people in there - I'm interested in your thoughts on that?

How many thousands of enemy combatants were innocent in past wars? Those people were held in custody until the end of hostilities with no lawyers. Were they not?

No. England held thousands of Germans in illegal captivity until the early 1950's.

You could be right, and I agree that would have been wrong too. But these people would have all been POW's , not civilians plucked from the streets(or a country America has invaded),flown by the CIA half way across the world,tortured (allegedly) and then banged up in a prison where they have no-way of proving their innocence.

Not really the same is it ?

I can't believe we're having this discussion- I really can't.

You are right it would have been far easier to kill them and be done with it. That is my point. The US doesn't do that. Even to those who deserve it.

robbo180265 06-11-07 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by waste gate
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Originally Posted by robbo180265
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Originally Posted by Heibges
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Originally Posted by waste gate
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Originally Posted by robbo180265
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Originally Posted by waste gate
Lawyers are reserved for criminals charged with a crime under US law, those at GTMO haven't been charged b/c they are not criminals but enemy combatants. Most will not be charged and like any other war, POWs are held until the end of hostilities...............

What part of INNOCENT do you not understand???

Without access to a trial there might well be INNOCENT people in there - I'm interested in your thoughts on that?

How many thousands of enemy combatants were innocent in past wars? Those people were held in custody until the end of hostilities with no lawyers. Were they not?

No. England held thousands of Germans in illegal captivity until the early 1950's.

You could be right, and I agree that would have been wrong too. But these people would have all been POW's , not civilians plucked from the streets(or a country America has invaded),flown by the CIA half way across the world,tortured (allegedly) and then banged up in a prison where they have no-way of proving their innocence.

Not really the same is it ?

I can't believe we're having this discussion- I really can't.

You are right it would have been far easier to kill them and be done with it. That is my point. The US doesn't do that. Even to those who deserve it.

And you wonder why the rest of the world doesn't trust America?
With attitudes like that ...............

06-11-07 07:58 PM

You are correct robbo180265, that is why your country has been in decline for centuries.:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Even the Germans laugh at you. While your personal liberties are removed you fight for those who would kill you.

GakunGak 06-11-07 08:00 PM

Torture Applause and "Double Guantanamo"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BN5nFt1SDQ:damn:

robbo180265 06-11-07 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by waste gate
You are correct robbo180265, that is why your country has been in decline for centuries.:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Even the Germans laugh at you. While your personal liberties are removed you fight for those who would kill you.

Oh that really is pathetic Wastgate - can't you do any better than that?

My country is in decline?
Germany laughs at us?

What has that got to do with Guantanmo?

GakunGak 06-11-07 08:03 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFiFfQPhe80
Another video to see...

GakunGak 06-11-07 08:07 PM

Turistas 2: The Other Side
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Wbt5Ckzwp8

06-11-07 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by robbo180265
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Originally Posted by waste gate
You are correct robbo180265, that is why your country has been in decline for centuries.:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Even the Germans laugh at you. While your personal liberties are removed you fight for those who would kill you.

Oh that really is pathetic Wastgate - can't you do any better than that?

My country is in decline?
Germany laughs at us?

What has that got to do with Guantanmo?

I cannot make up for years of liberal indoctrination at the hands of your schools or the poor parenting at the hands of your mum and dad. One day you will open your eyes and see where your real enemies are.

robbo180265 06-11-07 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by waste gate
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Originally Posted by robbo180265
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Originally Posted by waste gate
You are correct robbo180265, that is why your country has been in decline for centuries.:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Even the Germans laugh at you. While your personal liberties are removed you fight for those who would kill you.

Oh that really is pathetic Wastgate - can't you do any better than that?

My country is in decline?
Germany laughs at us?

What has that got to do with Guantanmo?

I cannot make up for years of liberal indoctrination at the hands of your schools or the poor parenting at the hands of your mum and dad. One day you will open your eyes and see where your real enemies are.

Personal attacks?
Very grown up

GakunGak 06-11-07 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by robbo180265
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Originally Posted by waste gate
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Originally Posted by robbo180265
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Originally Posted by waste gate
You are correct robbo180265, that is why your country has been in decline for centuries.:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Even the Germans laugh at you. While your personal liberties are removed you fight for those who would kill you.

Oh that really is pathetic Wastgate - can't you do any better than that?

My country is in decline?
Germany laughs at us?

What has that got to do with Guantanmo?

I cannot make up for years of liberal indoctrination at the hands of your schools or the poor parenting at the hands of your mum and dad. One day you will open your eyes and see where your real enemies are.

Personal attacks?
Very grown up

I'm with robbo on this one.
Waste Gate, take it easy, man, this is a discussion, a forum.:know:

bradclark1 06-11-07 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by waste gate
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Originally Posted by robbo180265
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Originally Posted by waste gate
You are correct robbo180265, that is why your country has been in decline for centuries.:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Even the Germans laugh at you. While your personal liberties are removed you fight for those who would kill you.

Oh that really is pathetic Wastgate - can't you do any better than that?

My country is in decline?
Germany laughs at us?

What has that got to do with Guantanmo?

I cannot make up for years of liberal indoctrination at the hands of your schools or the poor parenting at the hands of your mum and dad. One day you will open your eyes and see where your real enemies are.

You need to grow up waste gate!!!

06-11-07 08:21 PM

It wasn't meant to be a personal attack. Just an acknowlegdement of the differences in the debate. From my POV it needed to be said and perhaps said more often. Because it struck a less than favorable chord in youself is not my problem. Yours perhaps!.

I didn't educate you or sire you. I'm just pointing out where your world is shaded by rose colored glass. Time to shed the opinions of others and see the world for what it is.

06-11-07 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bradclark1
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Originally Posted by waste gate
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Originally Posted by robbo180265
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Originally Posted by waste gate
You are correct robbo180265, that is why your country has been in decline for centuries.:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Even the Germans laugh at you. While your personal liberties are removed you fight for those who would kill you.

Oh that really is pathetic Wastgate - can't you do any better than that?

My country is in decline?
Germany laughs at us?

What has that got to do with Guantanmo?

I cannot make up for years of liberal indoctrination at the hands of your schools or the poor parenting at the hands of your mum and dad. One day you will open your eyes and see where your real enemies are.

You need to grow up waste gate!!!

I think I have grown up and that is what bothers you.


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