Originally Posted by DS

I also prefer the Pacific theatre, and am an SH 1 , 2, 3 and 4 player.

I am enjoying SH4 greatly. The coding is not as polished as SH3 yet, but hopefully that will change. None the less, I am enjoying SH4, and I do not support an approach that makes Ubi think the best way to avoid future bad commentary about their subsims is to not make subsims at all.

That said, I do support the development of a 1.3 patch that finishes the code, and I support that objective by offering CONSTRUCTIVE and ENCOURAGING criticism, and by promoting SH4 and encouraging sales so that the profit balance sheets allow for further development. Like any corporation, Ubi will want their product to have a good reputation, if their product sales will support it. If the product is perceived as a failure, and sales tank due to bad publicity, there is no point in them putting more money into an already lost cause.

Frankly, if there is no 1.3, I will walk away convinced that 1.3 was killed by the players ruining the base product's reputation. That would be sad, because I play SH4 every single day, and enjoy it each time.

Originally Posted by Uber Gruber

A bit iof history wouldn't go amiss. The bundesmarine was one of the least "politically" infected services of the german armed forces. Furthermore, the U-Boat crews were even less infected.

I hear about troops in Iraq who do not support the current American regime but still fight for it. I imagine the same could be said for a lot of the U-Boat crews.

Originally Posted by bobo

The above is just my opinion, I do hope that someday SHIV will capture me.

Originally Posted by MONOLITH

Well said.

Although some will argue that the products reputation was killed by it's own flaws, not the players who complained about them.

The rest is sound advice though. :up:

Originally Posted by GT182

Firewall, modders can only improve the looks and feel of the sim, they can't fix what's in the code that's not working as it should. So, a patch is still needed no mater what modders do.

Originally Posted by elanaiba

Perhaps they care. I could see some possible results:

- improved SHIV through another patch
- a better overall SHV on release day
- no SHV at all, why bother with these people they say
- very few modding options in SHV, since modded SH5 might keep people from buying SH6
- frustrated developers
- lots of laughter in the office - "who is this bobo guy" ?
- strange looks, nodding, etc.

Originally Posted by STEED

Did ubi give in to public or other pressure to release this game before it was truly finished or some other reason? It is clear to me they should have not for another six months to a year which could had made the deferents from what we have now and what we could of had.

What is done is done and I hope ubi will move forward and correct all these bugs as I am fed up of my boat going to the bottom of the sea with minor damaged to moderate damage. The good folk at ubi have the power to turn this game back into a good game in which we all can enjoy, so please let's see the issue of these bugs sorted once and for all.

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Guess your not up to speed Steed.

It was released before it was finished to meet the "Quarterly" profit projections and trim overhead.