And then we have this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnJCsSS73KU

Compelling

Oh yea!!! :rotfl:

I thought this one was far more compelling:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn8SRxzYF-s&NR=1

Um..... I didn't.:nope:

Of course scientists have predicted absolute non-sense in the past and will continue to do so, unfortunately.

However, a lot of the people and groups mentioned in that video aren't scientists. Some are but are not necessarily of impecable professional reputations.

Take overfishing, for example. I suggest you go out to any major fisheries port around the world and listen to the fisherman themselves. Something is very wrong there.

That's not to say that the causes of global warming specifically can be guaranteed to be man-made or not.

and are you aware that reports thet this spring is the warmest spring since 1730 so what was causing the warm spring in 1730 ? cars (delorians lol) trains factories?

As somebody already said: there is always fluctuation in natural phenomenons. This does not contradict a stabile trend. And this unusual April is just the latest unusual weather and season phenomenon over here in an already longer line of unusual weather and season phenomenons - since many years. We get all kinds of yearly records over here, from year to year new records, wether it be the ammount of rain, floodings, or droughts. Not always all records together, but over the years it makes a nice mixture.

Weather pohenomenons and seasons without doubt became more extreme. Germany knows the phenomenon of mini-tornadoes living only for seconds and at best pushing a tree since decades, all over the land there used to 20-30 of these, per year. Not worth to be mentioned. Since some years, we see much greater tornados. Not yet as many as of the mini versions, still not as big as the American ones, but several times more serious than in the decades before. Two years ago here in my hometown a street was demolished, house roofs were heavily damaged, and dozens of trees were killed. I don't remember the time, i think it was early last year when in Eastern Germany half of a complete village was heavily dmaaged and partially destroyed. For years ago my father was injured in Berlin when a sudden tornadoe haunted the plaza around the famous Gedächtniskirche and heavily damaged parts of the Europa-Centre, which is a high tower (little skyscraper), and devastated seveeral warehouses, cafes and shops. This is absolutely unsual for Germany. This is a new scale of destruction being done by tornados in Germany. The beasts live longer now, and have much more power.

Just look at that graphics Tchocky posted and you get the idea of fluctuations, and trends. the general global warmth level is higher today than it was back then. An extraordinary cold winter, a warm April or a rainy May does not change that fact. Fluctuatioins are a coinstant zigzagging of the curve. The trend describes a more stable longterm developement.

This year, in my region of Germany we had snow for just 6 hours, on one day. Last year we had two weeks of snow, masses of snow, even electricity broke down and powerline-masts got destroyed in greater parts of Germany, which is extremely unsual over here. Villages and whole cities were cut off, it was a real desaster, it took two weeks to get out of the worst and get all supplies, heating, water running again - not somewhere in a forsaken vally in the high Alpes, but in the flat Northern part of Germany! This does not change that the winters I see today are much, much warmer than they used to be during my schooldays 20-30 years ago. The last two summers were moderate, but 2003 was desastrous. But in a general trend the summers I see now are more dry and much hotter than they were during my childhood.

Fluctuation - and trend. Not difficult.

there is a trend ! its tendy to say you believe global waming if your a scientist it get you funds to do research , if you dont believe you get squat to prove your theory and shunned by the trendy scientists

It gets you often even more money (from conservative, neoliberal thinktanks and industrial lobbies) if you agree on stepping forward in public and making mockery of every scientific conclusion, finding, series of data that are perceived as a threat to present interst of these financial sources. Even the most absurd argument today finds an echo if it only is repeated often enough - number of repetitions is probably even more important that reasonable convincing content (at leats that is what psychological experiments are indicating...) I have linked not only to news reports, but to orginal document over the last months and I think two years that did not only suggest but proove this.

Maybe the right job for you. ;) Make mockery of everything you don't like -and get paid for it!

ive seen very little on the news about the probable miscalculation on global warming and several news channels in the uk have had month long mini episodes about how the human race is destroying the world through global warming , IMHO when the dust settles and we look back we will see that its been one large waste of money in trying to stop something that is a natural cycle the world goes though constantly and has done for millions of years

You forget AL, I live in New England. We've majorly been into fishing since, well forever, and I know quite a few fishermen. One of them was over the house just last night complaining about misguided government regulations ruining his livelyhood while huge foreign ships are allowed to vaccuum up everything in the fishing grounds unimpeded.

I think this HL Mencken quote at the end pretty much sums it up:

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule"

What worries me more than warming or cooling is the diminishing amount of drinkable water.

Many of the rivers in the western United States are poisoned with rocket fuel.

Corporations are buying up water rights.

What are you basing that on?

im basing it on the history of the world we have had ice ages & hot periods which all attrbute to the cycle of the earth and the sun's phases show me the proof that the world is over heating due to mankind ? the fact is you cant



but if your a scientist wanting a grant you can have all the money you need aslong as it helps prove that its due to man no just natural plz explain mars and it signs of global warming without cars factories and power stations



p.s most of the science we trust today wasnt popular when the theorys fist came out newton einstien are just two of many very nearly ostrisized for thier brilliance

Proof? Yes. Conclusive, iron-clad proof? No. Science isn't like that, except in mathematics.
Yes, the Earth has cycles of warming and cooling. But now it's warming faster than ever. Considerably faster. You don't get 100% certainty in science, because that's a pretty dumb stance to take. Saying that we know everything is ridiculous.

Right, if you can show me that Mars as a whole is warming, and not just the icy area around the south pole.

Let's see. If Mars and Earth are both warming, and they are quite different planets, then it must be the fault of the Sun. But it isn't. Solar output hasn't changed since 1978, and there's been a hell of a lot of warming since then.
Actually, we've been through the Mars argument before, and I've always posted the same site.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=192

Have at it. But it's obviously scientists scrabbling for research funds, because that's what science is about, isn't it?
Actually, barring this nebulous distrust of scientists you seem to have, how about showing me where funding has been conditional on results? A couple of cases please. Otherwise I'll mark it as bull**** and move on.

EDIT - More on the solar output rubbish. This graph is from the Max Planck Institute, marking irradiance (solar output in terms of Watts per square metre) against recorded temperature. Notice how solar output accounts for come of the early 20th-century warming, but not the massive increase from about 1970 on.
http://www.mps.mpg.de/images/projekt...te/climate.gif

but of course, they're making it up for cash. How silly of me to trust them.