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NEON DEON 04-22-07 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Channing
Let's keep things in perspective here.

Ubisoft is a billion dollar a year company. If you think a few pissed off rivet counters on Subsim.com are going to affect their share prices...

They sell more copies of whatever crap Tom Clancy is putting his name on before breakfast than they will of Silent Hunter 4 in the next 10 years.

And as to your car company anaolgy... clearly you haven't bought the first model year of any product by any of the companies you named (or any other car company for that matter).

JCC

I bought the first model year of the 1990 Honda Accord. It is seventeen years old now and I love it. The suspension system is so well tuned that the tires exceed the rated tread life! 200,000 miles with the original transmission and no car payments for 12 years. I love my Honda.
:D :D :D

BTW: I am talking specific model generations within the Accord name.
1990 to 1993 (fourth generation)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Accord

JSF 04-23-07 02:53 AM

Here we go again....another discussion on the poor devs forced to submit to the money whores who own UBIsoft. Jesus, enough already......

The game was a hugh endeavor that required a tremendous effort and a lot of luck to be a success. Two outa three aint bad. (Meatloaf)

If the CTDs continue at the rate I get them I will have to rate it down there with FC. I can't complete a single patrol without a CTD anylonger.

But like everyone else, I agree, the graphics are splendid. TDC is quirky though. Crew dialog (AI) is clumsy....and a host of other quasi acceptable gaming peculiarities tend to make SH4 unpleasent to play in its current state.

I will continue to hope for the best and keep checking back in the forum at different intervals to see if progress has been made towards a resolution of the cornucopia of issues.

PS..one major positive is this forum. You guys will eventually sort out SH4.

John Channing 04-23-07 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NEON DEON
Quote:

Originally Posted by John Channing
Let's keep things in perspective here.

Ubisoft is a billion dollar a year company. If you think a few pissed off rivet counters on Subsim.com are going to affect their share prices...

They sell more copies of whatever crap Tom Clancy is putting his name on before breakfast than they will of Silent Hunter 4 in the next 10 years.

And as to your car company anaolgy... clearly you haven't bought the first model year of any product by any of the companies you named (or any other car company for that matter).

JCC

I bought the first model year of the 1990 Honda Accord. It is seventeen years old now and I love it. The suspension system is so well tuned that the tires exceed the rated tread life! 200,000 miles with the original transmission and no car payments for 12 years. I love my Honda.
:D :D :D

BTW: I am talking specific model generations within the Accord name.
1990 to 1993 (fourth generation)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Accord

I was thinking more of the first model year of a line. A friend of mine bought one of the first CRVs that was out and the locks froze up everytime the temperature went below 0c. She spent a lot of time locked inside that car looking for heated garages to pull into so she could get out.

Not a good thing in Canada.

And don't get me started on Ford!

JCC

maerean_m 04-23-07 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSF
If the CTDs continue at the rate I get them I will have to rate it down there with FC. I can't complete a single patrol without a CTD anylonger.

What kind of video card to you use? How much memory does it have? Do you use Texture High Quality on?

9th_cow 04-23-07 07:52 AM

bugs are the biggest pain in the butt, more than one of my careers has gone down the pan because of them, and given the huge traveling distances in game to finally reach your target and then lose out due to a bug is pretty terrible.
Graphics are stunning. most of the game works fine too, the flaws it has can be dissastrous unfortunatly.

i must admit the only real major gripes i still have are the fact that they obviously never bothered testing the AA guns, or they would have seen theyre unusable at some angles due to only being able to see the conning tower and not your gun.
and damage screen, there is no bloody way to tell what damage you have.
it seems to me now that once you have a little flooding, even contained the game decides to kill your sub after a set time limit.
i mean you repair the hull. the pumps work. why do you eventually end up dead after a little time passes ? what is causing me to suddenly die, when the damage screen says i have it under controll. ive no idea..

ah one last thing. i spot a task force, 3 destroyers, 1 18K passenger ship.
i report the sighting
im told to engage.
i sink a destroyer ( had no choice or i wouldnt have bothered)
i sink the 18K ship.

mission incomplete ? WTF?!? this applies equally to any of these intercept missions.
once i was told to sink a capital ship. i sank the only large navy ship in the convoy, mission incomplete... why ?
and patrol missions, seriously how long do i need to patrol ? forever....

rant over :)

maerean_m 04-23-07 08:46 AM

In a Patrol Area objective all you have to do is to stay in an (aproximatively) 100 km circle for 48 hours. That's it. No need to sink any ships. Just stay alive for 48h.

John Channing 04-23-07 09:40 AM

Plus, I believe, just because you have received instructions to do something else, you still have to complete all of your original patrol objectives.

Once you are finished sinking the taskforce, you still have to proceed to your original patrol area, complete that objective, radio in for new instructions, complete them, and then RTB when you are told to (just like real life).

I think a lot of people are assuming this is like SH3 where you could pretty well blow off your objectives and do what you wanted with only a minor loss of renown. This time around you had better follow orders, or there are consequences.

This is the method I have been using, and ComSubPac has been very happy with me.... so far.

JCC

bruschi sauro 04-23-07 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie
Quote:

Originally Posted by Grunt
I think the ubi marketing people took time to review the fan base of SH3, most likely by stopping by this forum on a regular basis.

I guess the ubi guys figured out that our loyalty to SH3 would make it very easy for ubi to stick it to us by releasing a VERY beta game, then laugh all the way to bank with no plans to continue the SH series.

http://home.no.net/holodoc/ordinary1.jpg

I WANT TO BELIEVE!

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

bruschi sauro 04-23-07 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Ragtag
The big point is that games are being pushed out way to early and i'm not talkin about SH4 alone. This is starting to be a bad habit for games distributors. I'm working as a editor at a Norwegian games magazine and games are, unfortunatley, being released earlier and earlier and i see this more and more often and it get's worse. Several big titles lately has been released in a very poor state, Stalker is definatly one of them and if you take a peak in the Stalker forums you will find screams for a patch. Yes, developers are fixing things in patches but releasing a game they KNOW is full of bugs and more or less unfinished, is just not acceptable. I want to play games as they are intended to be played. Mods are fun and great but it's not the gamers job to make a game playable.We pay for a product, some hardcore gamers buy 2-4 games each month, and they do expect to get a game that IS FINISHED. So do i. I don't want to read forums, search through tons of mods just to have a game in a playable state.When i buy a game i want to play it. Not wait a month or 4 to have it fixed and then play it. I really don't like the "rush out, fix some later and forget" policy some of the big companies has started to use. I wonder what would happen if every gamer waited a month or two before buying.

YOU ARE RIGHT:up:

maerean_m 04-23-07 10:01 AM

ALL objectives given at the begining of the mission must be completed before RTB. Otherwise you won't be given a new set of objectives and you'll feel like the mission is repeating. In fact, is the same old mission.

7Enigma 04-23-07 10:16 AM

In my humble opinion it is the DUTY of the reviewers to properly put these game companies in their places.

The reason why they continue to release games prior to being finished is because all to often they are met with great reviews with a small * mention of bugs. That shows me one of two things:

1. They pander to the game companies since those banners off to the sides are generally hyping their next big thing.

2. They don't adequately test the games, instead, spend a couple hours on the weekend and write up a review.

I was appalled to see the high ratings that SH4 got out of the box (v1.0). 1.2 is much better, but there is still so much here that needs to be fixed its incredible.

Until you get some reviews that harshly penalize (and thus hurt sales), the game companies have no reason to fix this trend.

My $0.02

JSF 04-23-07 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maerean_m
Quote:

Originally Posted by JSF
If the CTDs continue at the rate I get them I will have to rate it down there with FC. I can't complete a single patrol without a CTD anylonger.

What kind of video card to you use? How much memory does it have? Do you use Texture High Quality on?

Nvidia 8800 GTS with 640 megs DDR3. Latest drivers as well.

fredbass 04-23-07 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7Enigma
The reason why they continue to release games prior to being finished is because all to often they are met with great reviews with a small * mention of bugs.

Wrong - The reasons are based on agreements, budget and deadlines made and set at the beginning of development.

maerean_m 04-23-07 10:49 AM

"Nvidia 8800 GTS with 640 megs DDR3. Latest drivers as well."

There should be no issue with such a powerful video card...

Do the CTDs happen when going from a 2D station (like navigation map or crew management) to a 3D station (like deck, deck gun, external camera)? Any kind of pattern?

CaptainAsh 04-23-07 11:00 AM

I m a big fan of SH3 and was tempted to buy SHIV of course but read a lot here on the game. Honnestly, you re scary people ;)
It s impossible for me to buy the game right now with all you said.
So what s the logic thing to do?
Search for a demo of course! So I can see if it s that bad...
Here is the issue... I can t find any demo?!?!?!? Is UBI so worry about the quality of the software to avoid publishing a demo and just hopping some people will buy the game without testing it first?


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