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Tchocky 04-17-07 08:23 PM
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people still died, and it wasn't as drawn out as something like this. It was over quite quickly.
Right, and did you intervene, or are you an "accomplice"?
One was a drive-by, the other was a bombing. Not exactly much oppurtunity to react. No I'm not going into the details. I worked hard enough already to bury them.
Yeah, I wont interrogate you. But from what you've said they were dissimiliar situations. You call students accomplices to mass murder for not reacting, then claim authority from personal experience in a situation that did not allow you to react.

*shrug*

Yahoshua 04-17-07 08:27 PM
Doing something is better than doing nothing.

gnirtS 04-17-07 09:05 PM
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Doing something is better than doing nothing.
Not always.

These people survived. If they'd done something (i) it may not have worked and (ii) they could have been killed trying.

First rule of any rescue type situation is not to create more casualties than you have originally.

Gildor 04-17-07 09:17 PM
I remember during sea trials, we had sea training onboard. They would do all kinds of weird "situations" to see how we, as a crew, would respond to critical situations.

One day they decided to have one of the watchcrew "go insane" on the bridge. He started screaming in the middle of a crucial manuver while we were alongside a tanker refueling at sea. One of my buddies just clocked him, knocking him down, while i charged to tackle him and hold him. The whole thing lasted 5 seconds max. I recall afterwards I didnt even think, just did.

We were all trained in weapons, first aid, fire-fighting, etc.

I can't imagine some young fellows in a school reacting the way we would as trained military.

sonar732 04-17-07 09:22 PM
We can beat a dead horse with this and feeding the trolls would be an understatement. Come on people...quit trying to analyze this situation either way and have some compasion! :hmm::hmm:

Onkel Neal 04-17-07 10:27 PM
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Also there are reports the shooter had two handguns. While one was a 9mm the other was a .22 automatic. Both hurt.
Also, neither are reknown for thier stopping power. Just a fact.
Haha, a 9mm has plenty of "stopping power". Try shooting yourself in the foot with one and then see how far you can run :)

Tchocky 04-17-07 10:31 PM
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Just stating possible facts in this victimized society

Funny ol world aint it?
V Tech's law school is in Richmond, so no, you weren't.
I think you were just being nasty.
Oh well. Funny old world

baggygreen 04-17-07 10:41 PM
look fellas.

Yeh, sure. from outside, being far removed from the situation, its nice to think that we woulda all been heroes, broken the little *****s neck and won lots of tv time, saved lives and gotten bravery awards.

Fact remains, its not likely that many of us would've. sure, it woulda been great if those blokes had been able to, but fact remains they were likely untrained and frozen with fear. I dont think anyone can really blame them for that. They're kids for gods sake, give em a fair go

TteFAboB 04-17-07 10:42 PM
I stand corrected. It weren't the students blocking the door with their feet, it was a teacher blocking the door with his body.

U-533, here is your hero:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...843.shtml?s=ic

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An Israeli professor and Holocaust survivor sacrificed his own life to save the lives of countless students during the carnage Monday at Virginia Tech.


Liviu Librescu, 76, blocked the doorway to his classroom with his body and told the students to flee. He was shot through the door by gunman Cho Seung-Hui, "but all the students lived because of him,” Virginia Tech student Asael Arad said.
When the sound of gunfire drew closer, the professor braced himself against the door, holding it shut against the gunman in the hall, the New York Daily news reports. That allowed the students to escape.

Student Alec Calhoun told the News that the last thing he saw before jumping out the window was Librescu blocking the door.


Librescu was sent to a labor camp in Russia as a child and was saved by townspeople. In 1978, his family emigrated from Romania to Israel, and in 1986 Librescu, his wife and two sons moved to Virginia.



© NewsMax 2007. All rights reserved.
God bless the townspeople Russians who saved Librescu (from the Russians who captured him) as a child so that he could save our children today. God bless this man who was willing to put his life at risk to save his students. That's as far as a teacher can go.

Rest in peace.

JetSnake 04-17-07 11:12 PM
Just a pet peeve of mine, but they are magazine, not clips.

DeePsix501 04-18-07 12:38 AM
God bless that professor indeed, and the students who were killed.

As far as the argument earlier, it is funny how hindsight is always 20/20...

P_Funk 04-18-07 01:39 AM
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I can't imagine some young fellows in a school reacting the way we would as trained military.
Thats what I was thinking. Everyone here who has been so vile and venomous seems to also throw around alot of gun-speak and implied expertise on that kind of situation. I figure they all fancy themselves soldiers or have some real training that isn't just an imagined gun club fetish.

I mean sometimes I wonder if I could be beamed into a U-boat and suddenly find a white cap on my head and someone looking at me saying "Your orders Kaleun?", and manage to do it right. But then I spend alot of time playing out those scenarios in games.

The average person isn't a gun expert, doesn't know how long it takes to reload a gun, and heres the other thing. How do they know he doesn't have another gun but doesn't WANT to get stuck with 3 or 4 empty guns?

And heres the thing that nobody is mentioning. Where were the cops? If I'm sitting in a library and this is the 12th reincarnation of Columbine since the movie I'd be thinking "they have a plan, they'll be here any moment".

Seriously guys. Lay off the gun nut mentality. You aren't Dirty Harry, this isn't a movie, and this definitely isn't Tel Aviv so talking about car bombs and drive bys is a moot point.

robbo180265 04-18-07 04:00 AM
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I can't imagine some young fellows in a school reacting the way we would as trained military.
Thats what I was thinking. Everyone here who has been so vile and venomous seems to also throw around alot of gun-speak and implied expertise on that kind of situation. I figure they all fancy themselves soldiers or have some real training that isn't just an imagined gun club fetish.

I mean sometimes I wonder if I could be beamed into a U-boat and suddenly find a white cap on my head and someone looking at me saying "Your orders Kaleun?", and manage to do it right. But then I spend alot of time playing out those scenarios in games.

The average person isn't a gun expert, doesn't know how long it takes to reload a gun, and heres the other thing. How do they know he doesn't have another gun but doesn't WANT to get stuck with 3 or 4 empty guns?

And heres the thing that nobody is mentioning. Where were the cops? If I'm sitting in a library and this is the 12th reincarnation of Columbine since the movie I'd be thinking "they have a plan, they'll be here any moment".

Seriously guys. Lay off the gun nut mentality. You aren't Dirty Harry, this isn't a movie, and this definitely isn't Tel Aviv so talking about car bombs and drive bys is a moot point.
Couldn't have put it better.

And whilst we're at it, what if one of the suvivors of this shooting was a subsim fan? What if they fired up the internet and read this drivel? How the hell do you think it would make them feel?

Some of you guys need to look up the word "respect" in the dictionary.

micky1up 04-18-07 04:17 AM
so much for land of the brave:down:

U-533 04-18-07 04:41 AM
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so much for land of the brave:down:
reading what most of these people have posted

I would say it's a world wide epidemic

True it seems that here in America...people believe they have more to loose and gain in life

But if you read back over all this there are still a few who will give and not take...

sure brought all kinds out didn't it

"Lets Roll"...?


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