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Originally Posted by bradclark1

As far as attempting to escape you had better be sure you can do it because legally you can be executed if recaptured.

I seriously doubt that as I believe the Geneva convention specifically recognizes that it is the duty of every servicemen to escape if possible.

BTW below is the US POW Code of Conduct

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The Code of Conduct outlines basic responsibilities and obligations of members of the US Armed Forces. All members are expected to measure up to the standards embodied in the Code of Conduct. Although designed for a POW situation, the spirit and intent are applicable to service members subjected to other hostile detention. Such service members should consistently conduct themselves in a manner that avoids discrediting them and their country. There are six articles of the Code of Conduct that address situations and decision areas that, to some degree, may be encountered by all personnel. It includes basic information useful to POWs in their tasks of surviving honorably while resisting their captor’s efforts to exploit them to the enemy’s advantage and their disadvantage. Such survival and resistance require varying degrees of knowledge of what the six articles mean. President Dwight D. Eisenhower first published the Code of Conduct for members of the Armed Forces of the United States on 17 August 1955. In March 1988, President Ronald W. Reagan amended the code with gender-neutral language.
ARTICLE I.
I am an American, fighting in the forces which guard my country and our way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.
ARTICLE II.
I will never surrender of my own free will. If in command, I will never surrender the members of my command while they still have the means to resist.
ARTICLE III.
If I am captured, I will continue to resist by all means available. I will make every effort to escape and aid others to escape. I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy.
ARTICLE IV.
If I become a prisoner of war, I will keep faith with my fellow prisoners. I will give no information or take part in any action which might be harmful to my comrades. If I am senior, I will take command. If not, I will obey the lawful orders of those appointed over me and will back them up in every way.
ARTICLE V.
When questioned, should I become a prisoner of war, I am required to give name, rank, service number, and date of birth. I will evade answering further questions to the utmost of my ability. I will make no oral or written statements disloyal to my country and its allies or harmful to their cause.
ARTICLE VI.
I will never forget that I am an American, fighting for freedom, responsible for my actions, and dedicated to the principles which made my country free. I will trust in my God and in the United States of America.

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Don't get me wrong. I'm very happy for the return of the sailors but I'm anxious to hear how and why they were converted to spineless dead fish for all the world to see. Was that part of their training or were they threatened?

:lost: Ditto...

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Originally Posted by bradclark1

I seriously doubt that as I believe the Geneva convention specifically recognizes that it is the duty of every servicemen to escape if possible.

The Geneva Conventions (note plural) do recognize the right of a PoW to escape. However if the escaping PoW commits any illegal acts they can be tried in civil court for those illegal acts but not for the act of escaping.

[QUOTE=Platapus]

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Originally Posted by August

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Originally Posted by bradclark1

I seriously doubt that as I believe the Geneva convention specifically recognizes that it is the duty of every servicemen to escape if possible.

Hah! Entering a country without a tourist visa. Damned if they escape. Damned if they don't.

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Originally Posted by August

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Originally Posted by bradclark1

As far as attempting to escape you had better be sure you can do it because legally you can be executed if recaptured.

I seriously doubt that as I believe the Geneva convention specifically recognizes that it is the duty of every servicemen to escape if possible.

I wounder where I thought that one up from.:hmm:
Article 92 of Geneva Convention III covers that.
Reading the Code of Conduct brings back memories though.

NUKE THEM!

...so sorry, my hand slipped, I meant, of course, reestablish bilateral and multilateral dialogue aimed at engaging the moderate elements in the regime to bring the country back into mainstream international community... ha the hell with it, I'm sticking with my original statement.

The Brits were released after one Iranian diplomat, kidnapped in Iraq in January by "Unknown gunmen" was released day before yesterday. Also, the US finally agreed to allow the Iranian govt reps to meet with these 5 Iranians illegally arrested in Kurdistan in January.

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/03/30/192/

But the real targets of those arrests got away. Here's the link to that:

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...cle2414760.ece

Only Bush & Blair could make Ahmedinajad look statesmanlike and generous before the world's public opinion.

Of course, all parties involved deny any linkage of actions here.

My two cents:

Should: back down, de-escalate. You do not teach a dog a new trick by kicking him when he does it; you give him a treat instead. Positive reinforcement. UK leaders should publically suggest that the US withdraw one of the carriers from the Gulf, emphasizing the fact that the security situation improves when Iran demonstrates a willingness to co-operate.

Will: probably nothing worth mentioning. I imagine some patrol routes may be adjusted to keep distance from Iranian naval bases, and commanders may get a stern talking-to about vulnerable deployments in hazardous environments.

:sunny:

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Originally Posted by August

BTW below is the US POW Code of Conduct

Useful link.

US State Dept.: Iran accused of 'hostage' diplomacy - with comments from former UN ambassador John Bolton as well.

I know this is from the daily mail (I have previously described that paper as a 'thinly disguised tabloid'), but I have to say I find much of what this guy is saying to be spot on, if a little close to the knuckle. hehe

CLICKY

To put it another way:

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Originally Posted by ripped from another forum regarding how we brits see ourselves and our country

We may have no pride left, but we've still got a great sense of humour.

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Originally Posted by August

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Originally Posted by bradclark1

As far as attempting to escape you had better be sure you can do it because legally you can be executed if recaptured.

I seriously doubt that as I believe the Geneva convention specifically recognizes that it is the duty of every servicemen to escape if possible.

BTW below is the US POW Code of Conduct

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Good point, but they where no POWs. No war between Iran and UK.

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BTW below is the US POW Code of Conduct

It's just the "Code of Conduct". I must of said it dozens of times during inspection of the guard. I embarrassed myself with that statement. Not the first time and I guess it won't be the last.:oops:

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Originally Posted by jumpy

That young officers career is ruined and I doubt the enlisted are going to go much higher. The reporter sounded kind of dorky and behind the times about the female though.

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

US State Dept.: Iran accused of 'hostage' diplomacy - with comments from former UN ambassador John Bolton as well.

Well, at least the Iranians didn't make them sign a statement saying they were not tortured or agree not to sue the government or speak in public about their confinement to the press for a year like we made David Hicks do. Of course, this so-called "one of the worst of the worst" gets nine months in an australian prison.

RE: John Bolton. Wasn't he Cheney & Rumsfeld's henchman who browbeat CIA analysts and threatened them with firing if they didn't back up the Office of Special Plans reports about Iraqi WMDs?

Here's a link to interesting article by Wayne Madsen on a subject of great interest to me. If true, it puts the North Korean deal into a whole new perspective. I just hope it's correct and everything is properly safeguarded. I applauded the Bush 41 admin. for having the courage to take control of & safeguard the S.A. & Khazakh arsenals.

April 6-8, 2007 -- The CIA's Counter-Proliferation Division (CPD) and British intelligence have evidence that then-Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney lost three nuclear weapons in 1991.

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/