I am alright now :up: right back to the thread :mad: it's no good people got too get off this thread before I explode again. ;)

I think we need to sic Steed on these two-bit shake-down artists. It'd help him burn off some agression. :lol:

They are probably secret Muslim extremists that are seeking to slowly de-stabilize one of Europes greatest powers so that they can covertly over-run the land!

Just my two cents. Wouldn't it be funny if I were right? :D

-S

PS. Maybe i should get into the conspiracy theory business. I'd probably be pretty good at it!

Are Nuts. :damn:

PS: I'm :cool:

Good article in the Daily Mail about this guy:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770

BTW you Brits have to admit, even with some of the cool things you did, (Industrial Revolution was cool well mostly) some stuff like the Opium Wars were just not "cricket." No?

Does the UK get any credits for all the post offices and training for Civil Servants they provided during the high Imperial period?

lol!

...You mean:" Alex, what is the Treaty of Nerchinsk in 1689." :rotfl:

...and I was going to blame canada.

And Noah began to be a master of the soil, and he planted a vineyard.
And he drank of the wine and became drunk, and he uncovered himself within his tent.
And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw his father's nakedness, and he told his two brothers outside.
And Shem and Japheth took the garment, and they placed [it] on both of their shoulders, and they walked backwards, and they covered their father's nakedness, and their faces were turned backwards, so that they did not see their father's nakedness.
And Noah awoke from his wine, and he knew what his small son had done to him.
And he said, "Cursed be Canaan; he shall be a slave among slaves to his brethren."
And he said, "Blessed be the Lord, the God of Shem, and may Canaan be a slave to them.
May God expand Japheth, and may He dwell in the tents of Shem, and may Canaan be a slave to them."
And Noah lived after the Flood, three hundred and fifty years.
And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years, and he died.
- Genesis, 9:20-29

Poor Ham, he actually did his father a favour didn't he? I mean going back and telling his brothers their dad is passed out drunk naked is helping, but he gets punished for it. "Cursed be Canaan" - i could never quite understand this. So then who are these Canaan people today?:hmm: Is it colored ppl?

Snippet:

"The Sages of the Talmud have two opinions about what actually transpired: "Rab and Samuel differ, one maintaining that Ham castrated him, while the other that he sodomized him." [Sanhedrin 70a] What both opinions have in common is the incredible rage Ham directed toward Noah.

Let us consider what Ham's world-view must have been. He had grown up, surrounded by a culture of violence, thievery and sexual licentiousness. And then he saw that his father's passivity caused the destruction of his world. His actions seem an expression of Ham's rage and disdain at that passivity. Furthermore, we must not overlook the fact that Noah was the only good and just man in his generation. That means that his children were like the rest of the lot. They were saved from the flood totally on their father's merit. It would seem that Noah failed even in educating his own children. Noah's passivity -- of which his nakedness is a metaphor -- was evident in all his relationships.

Noah lives for some 300 years after the flood, fathering children, witnessing the birth of numerous descendants, countless future generations. What message does Noah impart to his descendants? Again, or still, it seems that Noah remains passive; he has nothing to say, as if the rest of his life remains clouded by this intoxication, even when the world around him begins again to sin against God."
- Was Noah a Good and Just Man?

Okay, thats not mention in the King James version no wonder i never could understand why Noah placed a curse if its truth what the above said then i totally agree why he curse canaan! - i once own a bible handed down to me that had alot of stories that are not mention in regular bibles - the full story of Ruth, and alot of stories when the Jews went to battle, - again not mention in the King James versions.


Let us consider what Ham's world-view must have been. He had grown up, surrounded by a culture of violence, thievery and sexual licentiousness. And then he saw that his father's passivity caused the destruction of his world. His actions seem an expression of Ham's rage and disdain at that passivity. Furthermore, we must not overlook the fact that Noah was the only good and just man in his generation. That means that his children were like the rest of the lot. They were saved from the flood totally on their father's merit. It would seem that Noah failed even in educating his own children. Noah's passivity -- of which his nakedness is a metaphor -- was evident in all his relationships.

Noah lives for some 300 years after the flood, fathering children, witnessing the birth of numerous descendants, countless future generations. What message does Noah impart to his descendants? Again, or still, it seems that Noah remains passive; he has nothing to say, as if the rest of his life remains clouded by this intoxication, even when the world around him begins again to sin against God."
- Was Noah a Good and Just Man?[/QUOTE]


Cain went off into the earth as a wanderer where God place a sign saying no man murder him (not exact words dont have the book in front of me but u would knw what i mean) but who are his ppl today? One theory i heard is God made him black after he had killed his brother - Cain is the father of all black ppl on the earth:hmm:

"And the sons of Ham were Cush and Mizraim and Put and Canaan"
- Genesis 10:6

Note that the word "Ham" in Hebrew means "hot" or "heated". The word for the color brown , "hume" is closely related.

The name "Cush" is also used to refer to the land of Cush - "Eretz Cush" - usually associated with areas around modern day Ethiopia and Somalia. The word "Cushi" in Hebrew refers to negroes.

From what I can gather at a quick glance, Put's descendants established the areas around Persia.

Canaan's children established themselves in the land of Canaan, known as the land of Israel today.

What happened to the Canaanites? They got tossed out for the most part once the Israelites captured the land of Canaan. Where did they go afterwards? All of the groups in the area went through a tremendous upheaval over the centuries, especially when Sanheriv conquered the area, peoples were dispersed in all directions. I have yet to meet a certified Canaanite, Hittite, Emorite, Prizite, Jebuzite or Girga****e in this day and age. :nope:

This is what happens when you try to read the written Torah without the Oral Tradition.
Noah was generations after Cain and Abel. I explained why the descendants of Ham are the original black people.

In the flood, everyone except for Noah's family was killed. There are no descendants of Cain. Noah was a descendant of Adam and Eve's 3rd son, Shet/Seth.

[QUOTE=The Avon Lady]So its Ham. I see.

Thats right, silly me! Noah & family were the saved ones of that time, a new begining after the flood.

After all these yrs who would think i would get my answer on subsim and in a matter of minutes

I get it now :up: thanks