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Vikinger 01-13-07 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by tmdgm
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Originally Posted by Vikinger
Download a program called SH3 Mini Tweaker.

Whitin that program you can change the file AI sensor dat.

Ive tuned down a few values my self there coz i found it impossible to escape an elite crew on a DD. Its not easy to get rid of them but its possible now whit some tactical maneouvers.

Things i changed was hydrophone, sonar and visual.
I changed maxbearing to be little more narrow and that allow me to do tactical manevours. I also tuned down max range and increased min range a bit.
Now they dont spot me from 9km away and if they find me the minimum range simulate a "dead" zone so they aproximitly know where iam. Hard to pin point exact where iam like they where using a gps navigatior :)

I also tuned down Min height values for underwater. I noticed that even if i dived so deep so my sub was crusched the range for Min height was greater than the sub crusch depth. (this was in a VIIC)

I dunno if my values reflect realism but its possible to escape now by going deep(but not to deep so my sub is crusched and it also allow me to have some minor hulldamage as well) and do tactical maneouvers ( stay out from thier max bearing range)
And also that they can`t pinpoint me exactly where iam.

Thanks Viking. Do you have a guide on what to change, which files and what you changed things to? Haven't done this so let's assume I'm a dummy. ;)

Boy, didn't think this thread would cause such a fuss. But I would like to turn a few settings down. At least till I get better. Don't want it to be easy, but also don't want it to see a destroyer and die type of playing in 1939. Past 1942, I'm good with learning a few hard lessons.

Yeah check this thread.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...737#post385737

And the file you should look for when you have installed the program etc is:
Ai_Sensor_dat.txt

joea 01-13-07 01:21 PM

Did you guys read Bigboywooly's post? You can get close to enemy ships in "untweaked" GWX.

Wulfmann 01-13-07 02:27 PM

Come on guys, don't pussy foot GWX.

Instead become better, more realistic Kaleuns.

Be men, not mice. Stop squeaking.:nope:

Keep a record of what you do on a couple patrols and some here will analyze and make suggestions.:yep:

Wie sagt mann das auf Deutsch “ Girly men”:rotfl:

Wulfmann

fredbass 01-13-07 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by sergbuto
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Originally Posted by Hartmann
for this 1939 -40 was called "happy times"

Allies don´t use radars and they set depth charges not very deep.also asw tecnology was not very advanced, and planes availability very limited.

Yes, they would not call those times "happy" if U-boat captains had to dive to 200 meters and go for silent running every time they would detect a DD at 8000 meters, would it?

I'm in August of 40. It's still the happy times for me. I've never dived below 130m yet to avoid DD's with little to no damage almost every time. During my last convoy attack, there ended up being 6 warships looking for me and depth charging me. I couldn't go deeper than 90m and I slipped away rather easily. And I don't have to rig for silent running at 8000 meters either. It's more like half that, actually.

demowhc 01-13-07 03:10 PM

I had exactly the same problem in GWX 1939, a destroyer was around 7 - 8km away and i dived to max depth, ran in silent mode and made a few course changes and the destroyer had no problem finding me...


but then iv encountered other destroyers and and they have just gone by so i dunno, maybe there a couple uber destroyers floating around...

Vikinger 01-13-07 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by demowhc
I had exactly the same problem in GWX 1939, a destroyer was around 7 - 8km away and i dived to max depth, ran in silent mode and made a few course changes and the destroyer had no problem finding me...


but then iv encountered other destroyers and and they have just gone by so i dunno, maybe there a couple uber destroyers floating around...

I guess you encounterd the difference between Elite crews and poor crews on thos destroyers. :)

A DD whit Elite crew would never gived up so easily :)

demowhc 01-13-07 03:22 PM

ah i see, damn 1337 crews :ping:

bigboywooly 01-13-07 03:42 PM

IIRC there are no elite DD in 39\40

Have a read through the Bdu KTB and see how simple and easy it was

http://www.uboatarchive.net/BDUKTB.htm

57 uboats available at war start and in the next 3 months 9 were sunk
24 sunk in 40

Happy times for some
Not for all

Plus if you read the KTB you can see how many boats came back early on with no sinkings and how many Belgium/Swedish and Greek ships were sunk even in 39
Neutral :rotfl:


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U 46 reported a convoy of 20 ships escorted by 12 destroyers, on a main course northeast. Boat was shadowing, lost contact for a while, regained it and shadowed until afternoon. Then English costal radio stations received reports of the torpedoing of 2 ships. At 2000 U 37 reported: convoy scattered, one ship sunk. She must therefore have reached the convoy. After the convoy had scattered, contact was lost. In order to regain it, U 37 ordered a reconnaissance line to be formed the following morning which is intended to pick up the convoy from the northeast. At 0029 U 48 sighted the enemy again. She reported: "A straggler sunk. A second straggler steering a northerly course in square 6789 BE. All torpedoes used." The boat shadowed this ship. At 0500 U 37 gave the order to act on U 48's report, thus canceling the order for a reconnaissance line. At first light U 48 again sighted the convoy, which had apparently reassembled meanwhile. At 0630 a second U-boat was reported in sight of a ship. Therefore at least one more boat had reached the enemy on U 48's shadower's report. Towards midday a/c appeared, contact was lost. U 37 ordered the boats which had been driven off to go to position "SCHWARZ".
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U 46 encountered a fresh convoy of 15 ships, but she was soon driven off by destroyers and lost contact.
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U 37 reports: 2 ships sunk today off Gibraltar, one Q ship hit. Depth charged for 9 hours. Fuel running out. Starting return passage.
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U 34 sank a steamer from a convoy off the west entrance to the Channel, torpedoed 3 others, but could not observe results owing to anti-S/M activity
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A radio message from U 45, intercepted by another boat on 14th October, has now reached B.d.U. It was not received here.
"B.d.U. from U 45: 3 large darkened steamers, 15 knots, sunk. Am chasing a 4th steamer 3366 to 3355 BRT."
This is the last news of this boat. At any rate the enemy paid dearly for her loss.
U45 - http://uboat.net/boats/u45.htm

All of those quotes above are from Oct 39
Happy times all round eh

Sixpack 01-13-07 04:18 PM

Same here (playing the major sub sims since 99).

Sound stealthy tactics, considerable wind and waves, etc. (so never mind that) and destroyer like 8000 m away finds me.

'Some ueber destroyers/corvettes out there' as someone mentioned sounds quite plausible to me ;)

Anyway, otherwise a great ride this GWX. My big thanks for it. And keep fine-tuning if you pleaz, mates.

PS I still need to read the GWX manual. Looks promising.

Vikinger 01-13-07 04:26 PM

Yeah darn thos krauts that sink neutral ships :D

Ive read about a few ships that was sunk, that was built in the shipyard in the town i live :)

Anyway. If i dont recall wrong there was an issue when the game was released whit elite crews on DD early in the war but i think it was modded away or patched.

Altough on my first mission i did whit gwx at the start of the war, i had a DD that behaved like an elite crew. I tryed for over 1 hour real time to shake him of me but it was impossible. It ended up that i dived to deep and my hull crusched.
It didint matter what maneouver i did or how fast or slow or shallow or deep i did go. he allways had track on me like he had placed a signal transmitter on my hull :)

After this incident ive never encounter any DD that was so impossible as this was. And now iam at the start of 1942.

Torpex752 01-13-07 05:51 PM

Not a complaint, just an observation.....I was detected by an armed TUG boat at 2800 meters! I was going slow in a type II at 2 knots...I have to admit I was suprised that every time I raised the scope the TUG had a zero angle on the bow indicating to me that it was homing straight in on me even while I was submerged.

Frank :cool:

Wulfmann 01-13-07 06:15 PM

I have changed neutral ships from -1 to 1 in the cfg file so I do not get slammed for sinking them.
CFG folder basic file
[RENOWN]
RenownReachGridObjCompleted=250
RenownPatrolGridObjCompleted=500
CompletedPatrol=500
NEUTRAL=1
ALLIED=1
AXIS=-10
My reason (as BBW referred) was neutrals making for the enemy port was a legit target as well as those in UK bound convoys. A Yank tanker making for the UK is certainly a fair target and being penalized on a technicality will not due, IMO.
However, I adhere to strict personal guidelines on this. When south of Spain I identify ships before attacking or do not attack. I often let small groups of 2-3 fat ones by that are neutral away from the legit war zone or that can not be identified as certainly making for the English.
As for poor crews I have actually edited my RND so all are vet crews (3 rated). My feeling is equipment upgrades increase the enemy as the war progresses and making them easy early does not reflect real loses (again as BBW referred)
I have made a couple sensors a little tougher based on past settings I was happy with but left the few GWX made a tad tougher to see if they were right. So far so good.
While in past installs I had to remake all the sensors etc GWX is very close to what I did and if I had not spent so much time in this area I would not consider tweaking this fine work at all. While opinions may vary GWX is a close to perfect as SH3 will likely get and I believe getting to be a better Kaleun will solve more problems than gaming up the files.
Wulfmann

bigboywooly 01-13-07 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Torpex752
Not a complaint, just an observation.....I was detected by an armed TUG boat at 2800 meters! I was going slow in a type II at 2 knots...I have to admit I was suprised that every time I raised the scope the TUG had a zero angle on the bow indicating to me that it was homing straight in on me even while I was submerged.

Frank :cool:

Just because he was heading in your direction doesnt mean you were detected
Could easily have been a normal waypoint change
Popping up your scope will lead you to get detected however
Armed tug or DD the crew still have eyes lol

HunterICX 01-13-07 07:14 PM

:huh:the U45.....Well...I changed history :smug:

Still alive in the U45 in July 1940

Kpt. Lehmann 01-13-07 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by HunterICX
:huh:the U45.....Well...I changed history :smug:

Still alive in the U45 in July 1940

"Stayin' Alive in U-45!"

Sounds like a new hit song from the boys in the forward torpedo room! :up: :up: :up:

(I read somewhere here too that someone was going to put a disco ball and mirror floors in their U-boat. I hope I get invited to the party!!! :arrgh!: )


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