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Pants 11-30-06 08:17 PM

I always use bolds
And this is how i use them....Firstly keep your momentum going, roughly 8 Kts Submerged and keep your speed.
When the DD's get within around 1000-800m angle your boat down fully keeping your momentum going.
As soon as you hear the first Ping, Release decoy, kill engine, still on the downward angle..and hard to port/Starboard for a few seconds, back to rudders amidship this should take no more than around 20-30 sec..you still have roughly 4Kts forward momentum, rig for silent.. then slowly creep with a downward angle of about 10 degrees. You sound then be around 80-90m deep. and break starboard or port for about 10 mins ( if needs must ), you should escape without a scratch :|\\
This works almost all the time :up:

PS... only works for deep operations

TarJak 11-30-06 09:37 PM

Duty
Orders
Survival
Honour
Challenge

Get back out there and sink some shipping!
:D

VonHelsching 12-01-06 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by raduz
ok, here is my suggestion concernig difficulty: i play this game for a couple of months and i am still in early 1941. however, there is a large amount of posts saying stuff like: "in 1943, dont even bother to sail into atlantic, there is a plenty of destroyers waiting for you" or "after 1943, convoy party time is over" or "in late war years, rather stay undetected or you will die" and so on.

considering this, why the heck should i bother after 1943, if - according to many of you -i will be hunted like a rabbit and i can forget any convoy raids?

another thing is this gwx stuff, and destroyers. sometimes, i find even stock game destroyers difficult to escape, (although you say they are a cup of tea), and then i read, "just you wait, the gwx destroyers are deadly, it is almost impossible to escape"...

maybe i am still rookie and i dont use the right tactics, but anyway: do you think this will be fun? i dont know but it seems to me that it is worth to stay focused on hunting merchants, and not to pass hours and hours escaping and getting killed twice a day... perhaps, i am wrong, but i think that some people just pust the difficulty too far.

As war progresses the player must change his mindset and "play" as a real Kaleun would do. Not waiting around in periscope depth to reload after the first salvo. DDs are more experienced and have better sensors. Depth is your only friend.

I understand that all players are accustomed to a way of playing the game. But the game evolves as well during the course of the years, so the player should evolve as well...especially in GWX. Tonnage is not everything in the last years. Getting away alive is.

Von

ecm747x 12-01-06 05:41 AM

As far as progressing past 1943, for me it is the challenge of the hunt. As has been mentioned, when you are able to get into position and fire a bow full of fish and take a ship to Davey Jones' Locker, then survive the onslaught of the DD'S, it is a great feeling. In the earlier years of the campaign, I was actually bored. It was really no challenge to take multiple ships down and evade the DD's.
I have been involved with the Beta test of GWX. The AI is much better than the vanilla version by a long shot. Is also a little more challenging than GW1.1a. At frist I got owned a few times by DD'S. I just spent more time planning my runs, staying deep and in SR till the last possible moment, staying on the hydrophones and not comming up till I hear the front screen of DD's between me and the ships I am after. As soon as I launch my eels, crash dive for about 15 seconds then slow to 1-2 knots and make a hard turn, using my momentum from the crash dive, that will postion me for another shot later on at another ship. So far this tactic has kept me going strong with very little, if any, damage to my boat.
Just stick it out and I think you will find an even deeper appreciation of the game,and sence of accomplishment.
If you get GWX, I would practice on a couple of single missions to try it out and see how it goes before you start a campaign. There are several changes to the game and would help out just practicing a little before heading right into a campaighn. Or join us on a few MP missions. They can be very challenging at times as well.

Tijn 12-01-06 06:30 AM

One question for the BETA tester of GWX? Is it still wise for me to start in 1942 with GWX? :lol: I might take your advise and try some single missions first. I'm really looking forward to the new damage model. It's not that the current one (GW1.1) is bad, but sometimes it's a little out of balance form time to time.


Grtz Tijn

melnibonian 12-01-06 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Subwolf
If you have survived into -45, and see the message "Germany has capitulated, lay down your arms and return to base", then the game is won and you can call yourself a true U-boat kaleun :yep:

True :yep: :yep: :yep: :yep:

The Munster 12-01-06 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Tijn
One question for the BETA tester of GWX? Is it still wise for me to start in 1942 with GWX? :lol: I might take your advise and try some single missions first. I'm really looking forward to the new damage model. It's not that the current one (GW1.1) is bad, but sometimes it's a little out of balance form time to time.


Grtz Tijn

Hi, my advice to you is to start at 39 and work your way thru it; I would also recommend you play just the stock SHIII game leading up to the release. That way, you will appreciate more the fantastic changes that have been made. :D

Tijn 12-01-06 07:10 AM

Playing Stock SH3 ?:down: Ok maybe to just run the training course for the extra 1500 renown. Thnx for the advice though. I will start in 1939 and begin with that nice humble IIA boat.


Grtz Tijn

Der Eisen-Wal 12-01-06 10:50 AM

playing SH3 in 43' on, is like watching a beautiful life in war story, you realise that every second counts.

perhaps everyone here are just 'all wind and smoke'. :)

keep the crew alive, and bring the boat home in one piece. that in itself is worth bothering.

The Munster 12-01-06 12:37 PM

I don't see smoke here but more of a 'flame'.

raduz 12-01-06 01:10 PM

no flame here. i just realized that you guys are too good and if the stock game seems to me difficult than I must definitely do something wrong. however, if you say you never attack the DDs with the deck gun, I wont do that anymore. cheers

Pants 12-01-06 01:11 PM

It's your game matey, play it how YOU want :up:

raduz 12-01-06 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pants
It's your game matey, play it how YOU want :up:

I know I can play it way I like but I dont want to feel like a cheater ;)

kiwi_2005 12-01-06 01:18 PM

Because the game is a real challenge from 1943 onwards, and thats what we want in a game isn't it? I can't wait for 43 to roll on.

Sailor Steve 12-01-06 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raduz
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pants
It's your game matey, play it how YOU want :up:

I know I can play it way I like but I dont want to feel like a cheater ;)

There are lots of things other people do that would feel like cheating to me, and it works the other way, too. I pride myself on playing what I consider 'realistically', but I still don't use manual targeting. And I still use the external view; not to gain anything, but just because it's so cool to see all the neat stuff.

That's the real reason you should use one of the supermods: to see the Kiel Canal and all the cool harbor traffic. It's amazing how much of a difference just those two items make.


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