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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

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Originally Posted by P_Funk

Well if you are implying that bin Laden is just some cook with a hard on for martyrdom and has no particular reason for wanting to wage war on the US you must be underestimating the leaders of these terrorist organizatons. The henchmen might be mindless drones on a collision course with paradise but the leaders are not so simple minded.

bin Laden has stated in pre 9/11 interviews and other forms of.. I guess we can them press releases that it is at least partly the US's use of Saudi Arabia as a way station for invading Iraq in 91. He is Saudi and obviously has issue with what he sees as America eroding the independant interests of his nation. That's just one I can think of off the top of my head. I believe that might have been expressed in an interview he had with Robert Fisk in the 90s sometime. Off in a cave somewhere.

As I said, this is for the sake of Allah.

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How can you seriously believe that the masterminds of world terrorism haven't got any reason why they want to destroy the Western world?

I never said they don't have a reason. I clearly said it is for the sake of Allah.

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These are educated men very often who have worked for the US at one time or another or have somehow else become outraged by what they perceive as an invasion of the Islamic world.

And therefore their courses of action are done for the sake of Allah.

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Osama bin Laden fought in Afghanistan and was trained by the CIA. He didn't just dream up some imaginary hatred.

I never said so. It is all for the sake of Allah.

I discern a pattern here. :roll:

I discern a a pattern indeed. One of gross generalization and oversimplification. Does that mean that all Americans who believe in god fight for him in Iraq? And do all Israeli's fight simply for their religion as well? Are there no more secular and tangible motivations behind any religious people's behavior?

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Originally Posted by P_Funk

I discern a a pattern indeed. One of gross generalization and oversimplification.

It is the foundation stone for all of Bin Laden's reasoning and he's consistant.

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Does that mean that all Americans who believe in god fight for him in Iraq?

No. I never said so either.

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And do all Israeli's fight simply for their religion as well?

No, though I can tell you that the very religious one's most certainly do.

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Are there no more secular and tangible motivations behind any religious people's behavior?

In Islam and to a similar degree in Judaism, no, assuming the person is truly devout and performs every act in life "for the sake of Heaven."

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Originally Posted by tycho102

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Originally Posted by ASWnut101

dirtybomb=worthless, just to scare you
unless its in downtown manhattan or a place like that, you should have no worries about a DB attack.

It'll shut down the economy, whether it's Hollywood, Seattle, Houston, Chicago, Tulsa, St. Louis, Akron, or Orlando. If one ever hits, you're going to find your life significantly disrupted because of it. It won't anything like the New Orleans cleanup job.

You will have longer waits at your local hospital, gas prices will be higher, electricity will cost more, your local police station will start evacuation drills that you will be participating in whether you "choose" to or not.

yes, true indeed. But then you can just move to the Falklands. Thats where im off to if the world gets bad.:yep: (true, by the way)

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I personally think it would be the best thing for the entire nation if Hollywood caught one. It would rattle the social structure, not to even mention our financial structure, and put California onto a survival priority system. New York was nothing -- the financial sector picked up the slack, and there was virtually no social upheval involved.

I agree with you 100%:up:

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Wait until Sopranos, Survivor, American Idol, and Brad and Jennifer are out.

heh, not like I care about them, anyway.:)

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Originally Posted by ASWnut101

But then you can just move to the Falklands. Thats where im off to if the world gets bad.:yep: (true, by the way)

True story: In the 70's, a US professor panicked that a US-USSR nuclear war was imminent. He and his family sat down with a world atlas to chose the safest location in the world to move to. They moved to the Falklands. :damn:

That sounds just like James Michener's story (also true) of the French vintner who, appalled at the damage sustained by his country in the First World War, moved his family to the most remote French holding he could find-Guadalcanal.

whats so bad about the falklands? (im not crazy, btw)
I'd love to live where there are more sheep than people and where the worlds best sniper school is.:smug:

They moved there in the late '70s...just in time for the 1982 war.:know:

:p :lol: :lol: :p :p :rotfl:

Safest place on earth from a nuclear war is the himilaylas or anywhere in the tibetian mountains. Only place on earth where the slipstream is not like anyother. One of the reasons china so much want control of tibet. Im talking about the aftermath - when the days are covered in darkness, tibet would be the only place still waking up to the sun.

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Originally Posted by P_Funk

I wonder how people so much older than me could be so naive about the motives of their nations. Not that I have contempt. But what happened in the last 100 years that suddenly cused the political and military leaders of the world's nations to become such honest boy scouts?

If thats realy your age, then... http://www.langkawi.dk/smileys/b262.gif