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STEED 01-20-17 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2459319)
That's not fair....the guy is probably illiterate :)

:har: :har:

Skybird 01-21-17 07:04 AM

Gunnar Heihnsohn's laconic - and true - comment on May's speech, and why Europe must choose between the German way and the British offer, and why the Brits have more to offer than Germany and France together.

IN GERMAN. Sorry. You can try bot-translations, but you know what that means.

LINK - Germany wants to punish, Britain smiles

Jimbuna 01-21-17 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2459545)
Gunnar Heihnsohn's laconic - and true - comment on May's speech, and why Europe must choose between the German way and the British offer, and why the Brits have more to offer than Germany and France together.

IN GERMAN. Sorry. You can try bot-translations, but you know what that means.

LINK - Germany wants to punish, Britain smiles

I can only point back to :

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The UK imports more from the EU than she exports and should said tariffs be imposed, a mirrored response would no doubt be the immediate result/consequence and I can't see BMW or Mercedes car workers (as an example) warming to Merkel for allowing this to happen. You could of course site a great many industries to the same test.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...postcount=5831

MGR1 01-21-17 08:23 AM

(Scotland) North-east fishing fleet to sail the Thames in Brexit protest:

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp...flotilla-mkii/

(UK as a whole) Theresa May 'betrays fishermen by using them as bargaining chip in EU Brexit negotiations'

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/755...ota-Article-50

Sheep producers voice fears over ‘hard’ Brexit:

http://www.fwi.co.uk/news/sheep-prod...ard-brexit.htm

I guess it depends on which industries the Tories deem to be expendable. It does appear the both the fishing and farming communities in the UK voted for Brexit in good faith and are now faced with some very unpalatable choices.

Farming - relied on cheap EU labour plus EU subsidies.

Fishing - EU biggest export market plus relied on EU subsidies and fishing agreements.

That's the thing about trade deals - how do you make (or break) them without screwing over part of your own economy? Now that the UK has to compete on it's own in the world, are the farming and fishing industries up to it?

Mike.

MGR1 01-21-17 08:33 AM

Ah, I forgot to add that for the Scottish fishing fleet, at least, "Scottish" is a bit of a misnomer - a fair chunk of the crews are Filipino with native skippers and senior hands. Due to the nature of what's happened to the industry many of the young men from the likes of Fraserburgh and Peterhead either leave the area completely after school or are so high on drugs that no-one wants them aboard ship. Fraserburgh has one of the worst drug addiction levels in Scotland.

Mike.

Jimbuna 01-21-17 10:52 AM

Why am I not surprised? :hmmm:

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Former chancellor George Osborne is to join the world's largest fund manager, BlackRock, as a part-time adviser.
He starts on 1 February, providing "perspectives on European politics and policy, Chinese economic reform, and trends..." BlackRock said.
Mr Osborne, whose salary was not disclosed, will remain an MP, but will not be allowed to lobby the government.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38696175

STEED 01-21-17 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MGR1 (Post 2459566)
Farming - relied on cheap EU labour plus EU subsidies.

Well that problem will be filled by the unemployed, hows that for a prediction. :ping:

STEED 01-21-17 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2459597)
Why am I not surprised? :hmmm:

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Mr Osborne, whose salary was not disclosed, will remain an MP, but will not be allowed to lobby the government.
What a load of BS, yea direct lobbing may be out but in direct lobbing you can bet your rump that will happen.

MGR1 01-21-17 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 2459633)
Well that problem will be filled by the unemployed, hows that for a prediction. :ping:

That assumes the natives will actually be willing to give it a go. Some will, but more than a few won't I'd wager. It depends on how long it is before those particular roles are automated, anyway.

P.S. It might entertaining to try and lob Osbourne, just don't do your back in doing it though!

Mike.

STEED 01-22-17 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by MGR1 (Post 2459687)
That assumes the natives will actually be willing to give it a go. Some will, but more than a few won't I'd wager. It depends on how long it is before those particular roles are automated, anyway.

P.S. It might entertaining to try and lob Osbourne, just don't do your back in doing it though!

Mike.


I would not be surprised if these summer jobs will be done by the unemployed as the rules are even more tighter now when I was claiming a few years ago and that was bad enough. Not sure if this would be green lighted in Scotland.

Jimbuna 01-22-17 08:46 AM

Don't do as I do but rather as what I say.

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Dozens of Labour MPs might be prepared to go against the party's leadership if there is a vote on starting the Brexit process.
Jeremy Corbyn has said all his MPs will be told to approve the triggering of Article 50 because they should accept the result of last year's referendum.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38689400

ikalugin 01-22-17 08:55 AM

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ne...asco-hch3shsrn

Jimbuna 01-22-17 09:34 AM

Theresa May says she has "absolute faith" in the UK's nuclear weapons system despite reports that an unarmed missile went off course during a test.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38708823

Oberon 01-22-17 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2459826)
Theresa May says she has "absolute faith" in the UK's nuclear weapons system despite reports that an unarmed missile went off course during a test.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38708823

Apparently the SLBM curved off towards the US.

Wonder if it knows something we don't.... :hmmm:

Jimbuna 01-22-17 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2459833)
Apparently the SLBM curved off towards the US.

Wonder if it knows something we don't.... :hmmm:

No doubt the new POTUS will have a solid opinion on the matter :03:

ikalugin 01-22-17 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2459833)
Apparently the SLBM curved off towards the US.

Wonder if it knows something we don't.... :hmmm:

Russian hackers updating Trident-II to the Bumerang configuration, no doubt.

MGR1 01-22-17 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 2459784)
I would not be surprised if these summer jobs will be done by the unemployed as the rules are even more tighter now when I was claiming a few years ago and that was bad enough. Not sure if this would be green lighted in Scotland.

Depends on what is devolved and what isn't and I think such a scheme, if it happened, would remain reserved to Westminster just to make sure the SNP couldn't throw a spanner in the works. I could see Glasgow erupting protest at such a proposal as "an affront to human dignity by encouraging slavery" led a certain Tommy Sheridan and his cohorts, however. Nor do I think Scottish farmers would want unemployed, unwilling, Glaswegians working on their farms.:hmmm:

As for the missile test, Sturgeon's reaction is as expected and I can see the whinging coming out of Glasgow about Trident getting louder.

Mike.

ikalugin 01-22-17 10:14 AM

Are there any other options for the British strategic deterent?

I mean from the materials I have read it appears that the delivery systems (Trident-II) and the warheads themselves (critical subassemblies, even in the physics package) appear to be US made.

Oberon 01-22-17 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ikalugin (Post 2459844)
Are there any other options for the British strategic deterent?

:hmmm:

:yep:

https://users.ece.cmu.edu/~ar39/ryan...s/treb-dad.jpg

MGR1 01-22-17 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ikalugin (Post 2459844)
Are there any other options for the British strategic deterent?

I mean from the materials I have read it appears that the delivery systems (Trident-II) and the warheads themselves (critical subassemblies, even in the physics package) appear to be US made.

France. Assuming BoJo can be persuaded to keep his gob shut.

The warheads are made in the UK, but as you wrote, certain parts are dependant on the US. That's why I think good relations with Trump are needed - of all US Presidents I could see him blocking any tech transfer between the UK and US. It also gives the US enormous leverage over the UK and, again, I could see Trump using that to the US's advantage.

The UK could do everything by itself but it would be cost prohibitive.

Mike.


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