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Jimbuna 10-21-15 09:46 AM

The first migrants to land on British sovereign territory.

Quote:

A number of boats carrying dozens of migrants, including children, have landed at the RAF base at Akrotiri in Cyprus, the Ministry of Defence says.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34590635

Betonov 10-21-15 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2352553)
Sadly, in a situation like this the army are the only ones who have the resources to deal with such a mass of humanity. Still, at least Slovenia hasn't gone full Donald Trump like Hungary has, and the restriction on how many cross per day is only because Austria has said it can only take a set amount. It's just working out the backlog on the Croatian side of the border that's the problem.

The police were never trained and equiped to run long tasks outside their precinct. But laws still apply and the army can't be sent anywhere without the parliament and president sending them out. At least the cops will be relieved now. They were working 12 hour shifts, eating sandwiches and sleeping in cars. At least the army can bring a kitchen and heated tents with them.


And someone has their priorities straight :doh:
http://i.imgur.com/9rMoA9e.jpg

Torplexed 10-21-15 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Betonov (Post 2352587)


And someone has their priorities straight :doh:
http://i.imgur.com/9rMoA9e.jpg

Well, you may have heard of Sufi Islam. This is a lesser known sect called Selfie Islam. :O:

Skybird 10-22-15 05:34 AM

Leaked emails from the government of one German state reveal that the leaderships have ordered the police to hide from media and public the number of incidents and how often police gets called to refugee and migrant registraiton centers. And that is very often.

The number of rapes and young women in camps suddenly beign truamatised and pregnant, according to various sources amongst the helpers network have"exploded". Also, mobbiong against Christians is rule of the da yin the majoirt y<of these camps.

Arab clans maintaining organised crime structures in germany, have infiltrated the camps and there confront clan structures of gangster amongst the newcomers.

Another leaked paper that apparently is from the German federal government reveals that the government seems to know that already right now the number of 1 million arrivals already has been topped, but hides that from the public. The closed border does not stop anyone, they simply evade and bypass the control posts.

Parts of the Merkelian party is revolting against her. Yesterday a letter by several hundred mayors has been reprinted by the media, saying that propaganda paroles help nothing and that the communities are unable to deal witht he situations.

In some extreme cases, camps have been build in villages where now the numerical relation between local population and refugees and migrants is 1:10.

Several non-governmental teams and experts have done their own cost calculation on the issue. One that was published last week corrected the costs per head, per year, upwards by 50%, and also calculated the follow-up costs due to the immense police operations, logistic efforts, and raised security operations, social wellfare costs, and later fincial stress from refugees who show to be unable to be put out on the labour market (which is by far the majority). Per million per year the study showed a hopping 36 billion.

So far nobody dared to mention that all refugees allowed to stay have a legal right to call in further family members of theirs: wives, children namely. In the next three years this probably will multiply the numbers of those who came by several factors.

The federal govenment had to confirm reports that by now already "hunbdreds of schools" do not run sports lessons anymore, since the gyms have been confiscated.

Several states have implemented new laws allowing the expropriation of property and buildings easier and faster than before, some states limit this to business and companies (which does not make it any less criminal and tyrannical), but some also include private/living housing. In all these states it already is being practiced.

The global area from which people have started to move to Europe (means: Germany) has widened, in Africa it now coivers areas in the West and centre that until recently had almost no migration movement towards there. The reason given by people is alwsays the same: Merkel, Germany, the friendly invitation by the Germans andf their promise to the world that at no costs asylum will be limited.

It will be limited sooner or later, but the major share of the damage already is done. We should have thrown all that money after the Greeks instead.

Both on German national as well as EU levels, special refugee taxes for the citizens get discussed. The German government has ruled that out, but that is lip confessions only, and no matter how the pay for this madness: the final bill always gets presented to the German citizens, directly or indirectly, in hidden or even in unhidden numbers.

Even some green mayors now revolt against the official line of their party'S national leadership.

My old parents, nboth around their 70s, last week got molested (angepöbelt) by refugees from a small container building 300m away from the appartment house where they live. Its the seocnd time, the first time was verbal aggressiveness "only". That scum had luck I was not there, I am still capable to bring people down in no time when being needed. Now even by own biographic example its not just all "clichés" and "xenophobia" for us. I am furious about this event. I am as furious about political and ideological azzholes denying that these things happen, and not rarely. Local villagers complain about security eroding there and the place at night being very noisy, men shouting, and women yelling, sometimes seem to get beaten.

Its so good to have them with us.

Is this what we are being told about that we owe to it, to them? Is this what we should consider our cultural enrichment, our rescue from our socialist debts-raising-frenzies, the solution to our demographic decline?

BTW, the implicit debts of the German state are several hundred percent of the yearly national GDP. Its a relief to know that we have do not really own any money to pay for all this, and do it all on tick and even more debt-raising. That way, no real wealth gets wasted on this collective lunacy. :88)

Or is it?

A wise man of the last century saying that "Schulden sind vorgezogener Konsum, der in der Zukunft ausfällt", just must not be listend to. That helps. - Sure.

It must help. Now that China and Brazil fumble and German exports being directly affected from that.Does anyone know who will pay for the Euro, for Greece and other countries, the EU, and now this mass migration experiment, when Germany falters? Who even would be capable? - You can ignore reality, but you cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.



ikalugin 10-22-15 07:13 AM

I thought up a most devious plan.
1) rent large container ships (180+k units).
2) send a message promising safe passage to Germany for free from ME and/or Africa.
3) load those up with refugees and their stuff/materials.
4) have refugees build simple rafts (so they could get through those 12 miles of territorial waters) while in transit.
5) offload the refugees just outside German territorial waters (preferably with favorable currents brining the rafts ashore).
6) ???
7) Profit!

Betonov 10-22-15 07:15 AM

You really like container ships, don't you :O:

ikalugin 10-22-15 08:48 AM

LASH would be even better, as it has docking fascilities to launch rafts from.

ikalugin 10-22-15 09:22 AM

Except if I fly the flag of some Navy and thus become extraterritorial object.

Anywhere I could read about that EU legislation?

Betonov 10-22-15 10:26 AM

Even then.
If you're smuggleng even the US flag wont help you.

You need to make the boat pass safety regulations, charge them for transport, issue receipts and become a cruise company.

ikalugin 10-22-15 11:05 AM

Thanks.

Rockstar 10-24-15 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2352731)
Leaked emails from the government of one German state reveal that the leaderships have ordered the police to hide from media and public the number of incidents and how often police gets called to refugee and migrant registraiton centers. And that is very often.

The number of rapes and young women in camps suddenly beign truamatised and pregnant, according to various sources amongst the helpers network have"exploded". Also, mobbiong against Christians is rule of the da yin the majoirt y<of these camps.

Arab clans maintaining organised crime structures in germany, have infiltrated the camps and there confront clan structures of gangster amongst the newcomers.

Another leaked paper that apparently is from the German federal government reveals that the government seems to know that already right now the number of 1 million arrivals already has been topped, but hides that from the public. The closed border does not stop anyone, they simply evade and bypass the control posts.

Parts of the Merkelian party is revolting against her. Yesterday a letter by several hundred mayors has been reprinted by the media, saying that propaganda paroles help nothing and that the communities are unable to deal witht he situations.

In some extreme cases, camps have been build in villages where now the numerical relation between local population and refugees and migrants is 1:10.

Several non-governmental teams and experts have done their own cost calculation on the issue. One that was published last week corrected the costs per head, per year, upwards by 50%, and also calculated the follow-up costs due to the immense police operations, logistic efforts, and raised security operations, social wellfare costs, and later fincial stress from refugees who show to be unable to be put out on the labour market (which is by far the majority). Per million per year the study showed a hopping 36 billion.

So far nobody dared to mention that all refugees allowed to stay have a legal right to call in further family members of theirs: wives, children namely. In the next three years this probably will multiply the numbers of those who came by several factors.

The federal govenment had to confirm reports that by now already "hunbdreds of schools" do not run sports lessons anymore, since the gyms have been confiscated.

Several states have implemented new laws allowing the expropriation of property and buildings easier and faster than before, some states limit this to business and companies (which does not make it any less criminal and tyrannical), but some also include private/living housing. In all these states it already is being practiced.

The global area from which people have started to move to Europe (means: Germany) has widened, in Africa it now coivers areas in the West and centre that until recently had almost no migration movement towards there. The reason given by people is alwsays the same: Merkel, Germany, the friendly invitation by the Germans andf their promise to the world that at no costs asylum will be limited.

It will be limited sooner or later, but the major share of the damage already is done. We should have thrown all that money after the Greeks instead.

Both on German national as well as EU levels, special refugee taxes for the citizens get discussed. The German government has ruled that out, but that is lip confessions only, and no matter how the pay for this madness: the final bill always gets presented to the German citizens, directly or indirectly, in hidden or even in unhidden numbers.

Even some green mayors now revolt against the official line of their party'S national leadership.

My old parents, nboth around their 70s, last week got molested (angepöbelt) by refugees from a small container building 300m away from the appartment house where they live. Its the seocnd time, the first time was verbal aggressiveness "only". That scum had luck I was not there, I am still capable to bring people down in no time when being needed. Now even by own biographic example its not just all "clichés" and "xenophobia" for us. I am furious about this event. I am as furious about political and ideological azzholes denying that these things happen, and not rarely. Local villagers complain about security eroding there and the place at night being very noisy, men shouting, and women yelling, sometimes seem to get beaten.


Sounds like Miami 1980. Florida crackers were freaking out over the influx of migrants entering the peninsula many eventually moved out. Migrants were moved into overcrowded make shift dentention camps and when things got stagnent they got a cocky and rioted. Gangs were established, crime skyrocketed, Miami changed. Things like that are going to happen when such vast numbers of people are gathered together.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/gl9OddN29Z4/hqdefault.jpg

Like I said Sky plenty of room over here. :D
41% of the people in Wisconsin are of Teutonic stock. Its said “Germanism, socialism and beer makes Milwaukee different," I was stationed there for several years and though Im not sure what Octoberfest is like in Germany, its a big event Milwaukee. Lots of beer, women and oom-pah music.:woot:

Skybird 10-24-15 08:40 AM

^Thanks! ;)

The below linked text is unfortunately in German, at the end it says it was translated form the English, but I did not find the original, maybe it was a personal communication between her and the translator. And I am not sure what use bot-translators really have for those sitting at the receiving end of this lingual abuse. :)

The author is a Lebanese journalist writing for a French-speaking Lebanese newspaper, but also knowing Germany very well. What she has to tell Germans as a warning, and how she explains why Germans tick so idiotically like they do, is spot on and really goes for the mental roots: Moral supremacism. If we are the guilty ones and if we must feel ashamed for the past, then the German perfectionists that we are must demonstrate the world that nobody can feel as perfectly guilty and feel as perfectly ashamed as we can. And by that we claim moral superiority in both guilt and shame. Must we not just be loved by everybody for this moral perfection of ours?

http://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/e.../12490358.html

Patricia Khoder writes for the L’Orient-Le Jour.

Betonov 10-25-15 10:43 AM

ugh, the focus is on Slovenia now, isn't it.

I'll try and force myself to watch the pile of manure that is Slovene media so you can be a little informed what's happening.

Right now the situation is not alarming. Incidents are, but so are at a local festival we have three times a year. The army is a welcome relief to the police and for the time being there is no sign that this is an invasion by a hostile force like the ''bar doctorates'' are trying to convince me.

Betonov 10-25-15 10:55 AM

I blame the poor ore concentration in the Alps and the inability of the human specie to make limestone profitable.

Rockstar 10-25-15 11:28 AM

I love Finlands approach to this. Sipila has got my vote.

Quote:

In Finland, Prime Minister Juha Sipila offered to do his part to alleviate Europe's migration crisis by announcing that Muslim refugees could stay at his unused summer cottage in Kempele, a small town just 184 kilometers (114 miles) south of the Arctic Circle. Average temperatures in Kempele are below the freezing point six months out of the year and the town does not (yet) have a mosque. "I hope this becomes some kind of people's movement that will inspire many others to shoulder part of the burden in this refugee housing crisis," Sipila said on state television.


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