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Armistead 11-03-23 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2890691)
So what is your solution to this never ending hate among the Islamic and the Jews ?

They could live fine together if there weren't this hate.

Markus

There is none because Islam is at war with itself. For the few nations not in civil war of some sort, they always know a revolution is stewing. Jordan and the Brotherhood, Lebanon a mess, Syria has about 50 factions fighting civil war, Turkey and the Kurds, Saudis and Yemen, radicals trying to overthrow Pakistani govt, Taliban back to strict law and executing 1000's, ISIS recent rampage, Islamic violence up 50% in Africa, Palestine itself divided between Fatah and Hamas. If Israel walked out and gave all their land up, in a matter of a month an Islamic civil war would break out who would control it.

Dargo 11-03-23 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Armistead (Post 2890693)
There is none because Islam is at war with itself. For the few nations not in civil war of some sort, they always know a revolution is stewing. Jordan and the Brotherhood, Lebanon a mess, Syria has about 50 factions fighting civil war, Turkey and the Kurds, Saudis and Yemen, radicals trying to overthrow Pakistani govt, Taliban back to strict law and executing 1000's, ISIS recent rampage, Islamic violence up 50% in Africa, Palestine itself divided between Fatah and Hamas. If Israel walked out and gave all their land up, in a matter of a month an Islamic civil war would break out who would control it.

In the Middle East it is not the religion alone I agree Islam needs its protestant version like we had against the Catholic Church the real problem is this are mostly all autocratic countries to keep their power they all use Islam to protect their power Saudi Arabia is the worst they are behind all these extreme jihad factions that cause all this terror. Saudi Arabia kingdom is so afraid they gone be killed they fund most Islam terror.

Skybird 11-03-23 07:24 PM

Islam had a kind of reformist movement, sufism. It got practically terminated when the Mongoles stormed and destroyed Bagdad 1258 and killed practically everything inside, and there were oratcially all living Sufis of name and fame of that time in Bagdad. What remains of Sufism today is just a powerless shadow of its former self that gets persecuted in many Muslim countries for its relativising of the role of Sharia law and the relevance of some other of the not so friendly aspects and demands of Islam. Many traditional Muslims see Sufism as heresy that deserves death like any infidel not belonging to the community of the book (Christians and Jews must not necessarily be always killed, but at least subjugated nevertheless. All other religions and infidels must be exterminated, to this way bring peace to the world).

Jimbuna 11-04-23 07:01 AM

Some 350,000-400,000 people remain in northern Gaza, US envoy David Satterfield has said.

Israel is focusing its offensive in this part of the enclave and has urged civilians in the area to move to the south.

The Israeli military is also carrying out strikes in the south and the UN says no part of Gaza is safe.

US Secretary of State Antony Blinken is meeting leaders from Lebanon, Qatar and Jordan in Amman - as he pushes for humanitarian pauses in the fighting.

But Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu said on Friday there will be no temporary ceasefire with Hamas in Gaza until all Israeli hostages are released.

The Palestinian Red Crescent said 15 people were killed when an ambulance was hit outside Gaza City's biggest hospital - Israel says it hit an ambulance that was being used by Hamas.

Jimbuna 11-04-23 07:31 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8fuJ60v4n4

Onkel Neal 11-04-23 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by em2nought (Post 2890652)
Just fill the entrances and exits with "Great Stuff" expanding spray foam. :D

Hahaha! No, wait, way too expensive, just fill the tunnels with gas.

Ok, no chemical weapons, well, Nitrogen gas then.

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2890662)
The IDF are consistent in one matter though.....no ceasefire of any kind until the hostages are released.

Yes, and that is strategically important. Each time the cry goes out for ceasefire, Jews should respond "release hostages first."

Jimbuna 11-04-23 11:11 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM0BdpuZ5zA

mapuc 11-04-23 11:21 AM

USA fear the war may spread to the entire region.

Israels refusal to accept a ceasefire and their bombarding the civilians in Gaza, could very well be the torch that light the fire.

Egypt and Jordan has said it clearly exaggerated use of force against the civilians could change the diplomatic status between Israel and these two countries.
(If I remember correctly)

If any doubt-I support Israel

Markus

Jimbuna 11-04-23 11:46 AM

As clearly stated a number of times the Israeli response should be along the lines of "Release the hostages first" or "You started it so we'll finish it"

Jeff-Groves 11-04-23 12:28 PM

Suck it up ButterCup! Time to put the Big Boy Boots on!
https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-c...article-770681

mapuc 11-04-23 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2890765)
As clearly stated a number of times the Israeli response should be along the lines of "Release the hostages first" or "You started it so we'll finish it"

It should also be followed by "Surrender the Hamas terrorist to us, or suffer the consequences"

Markus

Skybird 11-04-23 03:54 PM

The population has it not in its hands to hand Hamas over, unfortunately.
And if it could do it, it still would not do it. The hate on Israel just is too big.

Dargo 11-04-23 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2890792)
The population has it not in its hands to hand Hamas over, unfortunately.
And if it could do it, it still would not do it. The hate on Israel just is too big.

Expectedly after what Israel doing now the hate will grow 10-fold to the new recruiting of Hamas fighters it does not matter how many Hamas commanders/leaders Israel kills new young are already stepping up. Every Palestine sister, brother, mother, father etc killed by Israel will grow Hamas by the 10-fold there always be an Arab country funding this and give refuge to Hamas. This crisis will not be solved military you postpone it till Hamas has regrouped for its next attack only for the bühne, Bibi trying saving his ass he is the one that made the attack on 7 October possible with his policy of allying himself with the orthodox same ones that will not risk their lives in this conflict because they are exempt on orthodox religion reasons from the army.

Skybird 11-04-23 05:12 PM

It got reported that after 07-10 as a matter of fact the number of orthodox Jews volunteering for army service has suddenly gone upwards recently. ;)


Israel cannot move its land and boprders. It either successfully fights in place, or falls. And likely will pull others down with it. Means - they will need to fight on and on and on. I am quite certain this would be the case even if their would be a separate Arab state. Such a state would only be an advanced combat post for Iran, and an achor poiunt for china. Directly in striking distance to all Israeli cities. Ther eis Lebanon, a separate and claimed sorveirgn state. Does it give peace to Israel? Hardly.



Fight on, Israel. And you better fight damn well. Forever.

Dargo 11-04-23 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2890805)
It got reported that after 07-10 as a matter of fact the number of orthodox Jews volunteering for army service has suddenly gone upwards recently. ;)


Israel cannot move its land and boprders. It either successfully fights in place, or falls. And likely will pull others down with it. Means - they will need to fight on and on and on. I am quite certain this would be the case even if their would be a separate Arab state. Such a state would only be an advanced combat post for Iran, and an achor poiunt for china. Directly in striking distance to all Israeli cities. Ther eis Lebanon, a separate and claimed sorveirgn state. Does it give peace to Israel? Hardly.



Fight on, Israel. And you better fight damn well. Forever.

Israel invaded this land the 1948 independent UN resolution did not have this much land and certainly not this borders they have now you all can cry me a river about how Israel is hurting you only forgot the other people living they're driven out of the land into refuge camps for decades this is not only the past this happens in the now. The longer Israel does not fix this they will never, and I mean centuries, have any peace.


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