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mapuc 01-31-22 09:33 AM

We all expect Putin to give the order to invade Ukraine-But who says he has to ? The build-up of troops near the borders could also mean they send a very clear signal to NATO and Ukraine.

I hope I'm right on this standpoint-I don't want war.

Edit
Denmark has said they will provide Ukraine with weapons if Russia attack Ukraine.
Here I'm thinking-What if the war is over within 3-5 days. Denmark wouldn't have enough time to send weapon to Ukraine

Quote:

"I do not want to rule out [sending military equipment to Ukraine], and I have no principled opposition to us doing so," Frederiksen said.
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-def...o-ukraine.html

End edit

Markus

Skybird 01-31-22 11:20 AM

"The hope dies last" - while it burns time as quickly as an M1 turbine burns gas.

"We wanted to help but we ran out of time!", I expect them saying afterwards. How comfortable! Give us more of this thing called hope, it comes most welcomed!



Like Bejing wants Taiwan returning to China, Moscow wants to bring the Ukraine back home into Russia.

mapuc 01-31-22 11:55 AM

Isn't there a saying My enemies enemy is my friend.

Quote:

While US President Joe Biden got personal and threatened sanctions on Vladimir Putin if he invaded Ukraine, Chinese President Xi Jinping tendered a warm welcome to the Russian leader as a guest of honour at the grand Winter Olympics opening ceremony in Beijing on Friday.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dipl...gtype=homepage

Markus

Jimbuna 01-31-22 01:07 PM

UK foreign secretary Liz Truss told the British parliament the government is “considering options for further deployments of our armed forces to reassure and protect allies on Nato’s eastern flank”.

She says London will consider supplying Nato with more “fast jets, warships and military specialists”.

“The UK is determined to lead the way through deterrence and diplomacy”.

:haha:

Rockstar 01-31-22 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2790998)
UK foreign secretary Liz Truss told the British parliament the government is “considering options for further deployments of our armed forces to reassure and protect allies on Nato’s eastern flank”.

She says London will consider supplying Nato with more “fast jets, warships and military specialists”.

“The UK is determined to lead the way through deterrence and diplomacy”.

:haha:

I guess I should have added gaining public approval to feed the military industrial complex and arms sales.

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Originally Posted by Rockstar (Post 2790871)
I gotta ask when was the first or last time Putin ever said invading the Donbas or Ukraine was on his list of things to do? Frankly I think for whatever reason the rhetoric of invasion is being ginned up by us so we have an excuse to invade. :D


mapuc 01-31-22 03:49 PM

A friend of mine on fb asked in a bulletin if there's a war on its way in Europe.
One of her other friends posted this comment

"Russia has no interest in attacking Ukraine. Incidentally, the troops that have been lined up are just a recurring annual exercise event."

An interesting point of view. I didn't knew the soldiers was there due to some annual exercise.

Markus

Jeff-Groves 01-31-22 04:22 PM

There will be a War at some point in time. That's just Europe!
One of the bloodiest battle grounds in the World probably!

That's why the Off-World Species don't want to be known!
If We kill our own? They don't want to be next on the list!

Humans on this planet kill for the stupidest reasons!
Your a different color, race, religion, and add all kinds of reasons!
Then some kill just because they can.

The USA and others need to back/shut the hell up. I believe they are pushing the issue.
Russia didn't need such a massive build up to invade! And would have been to their advantage to invade with 10,000 troops!
And the USA says they have 8,500 Troops ready? Really? Against 100,000+?
Even with Troops already stationed in Europe.
They probably call it 'Operation Custer'.

Catfish 01-31-22 04:50 PM

^ so true :03:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves (Post 2791058)
That's why the Off-World Species don't want to be known! [...]

Please let us out of this :O:

mapuc 01-31-22 05:03 PM

Off this I'm convinced.

Thou longer the war will be the higher is the risc that one or more country who's NATO member will get involved directly.

It start with weapon supply...then they send drill personal...and last ordinary troops.

Markus

Aktungbby 01-31-22 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves (Post 2791058)
They probably call it 'Operation Custer'.

That'd be politically incorrect. It should be Operation Greasy Grass. (The Sioux name for LBH)Cause the grass'd sure be greasy after the Ruskies got done blitz'n our token Spartan effort.:oops::shifty::dead:

Jeff-Groves 01-31-22 05:08 PM

Operation Alamo
Operation Bataan
They can call it anything they want the results would be the same!
This would not be a battle at Thermopylae.

Jimbuna 02-01-22 10:07 AM

Quote:

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has praised Western backing in the face of Russia's military build-up and announced an expansion of the army.

"Support for Ukraine is the biggest since 2014," he told MPs on a day of visits by British, Polish and Dutch leaders.

Top US and Russian officials are due to hold fresh talks on the crisis.

Mr Zelensky told parliament a new "format of political co-operation" was being created with the UK and Poland.

Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba said it would cover security as well as trade, investment and energy.

Speaking in Kyiv, Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki promised defensive weaponry including drones and anti-aircraft missiles but also humanitarian aid. Poland has said it is preparing for a potential big influx of Ukrainian refugees if Russia attacks.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60212716
Words are cheap to create then below one can see the reality.

https://i.postimg.cc/sx3K8nJh/122915...nf640v2-nc.png

blackswan40 02-01-22 01:54 PM

But 1941 the mighty Russian Army had the same number of tanks that the armies of world had added together and in aircraft it outnumbered the rest of the worlds airforces added together.
But three days into the German invasion of the Russian Mother land the Russian Airforce had lost 40% of its strength also at two tank engagements at Minsk and Smolensk 6000 Russian tanks were lost
also i read somewhere that the attacking force has to outnumber the defending force by five to one if the defender is well dug in in prepared defensive posistions.

Jimbuna 02-01-22 02:17 PM

With the advancements in modern day technology I think you'll find todays Russian military machine a totally different proposition.

nikimcbee 02-01-22 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackswan40 (Post 2791236)
But 1941 the mighty Russian Army had the same number of tanks that the armies of world had added together and in aircraft it outnumbered the rest of the worlds airforces added together.
But three days into the German invasion of the Russian Mother land the Russian Airforce had lost 40% of its strength also at two tank engagements at Minsk and Smolensk 6000 Russian tanks were lost
also i read somewhere that the attacking force has to outnumber the defending force by five to one if the defender is well dug in in prepared defensive posistions.


Maybe the Germans could aid? Third time the charm?
On a serious note, do we know how good the Russian Generals are? The news footage I saw of the Ukrainian Home Guard or whatever it was, did not inspire confidence.


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