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Tribesman 08-10-09 12:30 PM

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Mike Sola of Milan demands that U.S. Rep. John Dingell explain why his son Scott, who has cerebral palsy, would not be covered under health insurance reform legislation.
Can Mike Sola show the world the proposed bit of legislation that says people with cerebal palsy will be excluded.
Still at least its better than sarah Palin bringing her family into the news again by saying the government will decide to kill her child.

CastleBravo 08-10-09 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 1148397)
Can Mike Sola show the world the proposed bit of legislation that says people with cerebal palsy will be excluded.
Still at least its better than sarah Palin bringing her family into the news again by saying the government will decide to kill her child.

It goes to the rationing of health care which has been seen in every health care system of this type. Mr. Sola's son has no value to the state which will provide the health care and will there fore be excluded.

Tchocky 08-10-09 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CastleBravo (Post 1148403)
It goes to the rationing of health care which has been seen in every health care system of this type. Mr. Sola's son has no value to the state which will provide the health care and will there fore be excluded.

Where does it say that the state will provide the health care?

The White House 08-10-09 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CastleBravo (Post 1148403)
It goes to the rationing of health care which has been seen in every health care system of this type. Mr. Sola's son has no value to the state which will provide the health care and will there fore be excluded.

We shall cull the weak from the herd.

We are still watching.

CastleBravo 08-10-09 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky (Post 1148405)
Where does it say that the state will provide the health care?

If it doesn't say it expliciately, like most laws the devil is in the details. We can only go by what Mr. Obama has said publicly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpAyan1fXCE

I can only guess asto why someone who claims to be from the ruins of Europe would want every country to be in ruin

CastleBravo 08-10-09 01:19 PM

Believe it..............yet we will continue on that path...........Obama backs off? They see the rebellion.
Canada's Health Care System Would Not Work For US
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...rk_for_us.html

CastleBravo 08-10-09 01:24 PM

+57% oppose single payer!

House Democratic leaders have set up a healthcare “war room” to help their rank-and-file members navigate a tumultuous August in which they find themselves on the defensive on their signature issue.

http://hotairpundit.blogspot.com/200...r-room-on.html

mookiemookie 08-10-09 02:17 PM

Triple posting? nice...

http://www.driftbitz.com.au/products.../wastegate.jpg

CastleBravo 08-10-09 02:27 PM

I wanted to make sure the white house guy wouldn't miss the point. It happens way too often with this administration. :woot:

CastleBravo 08-10-09 02:57 PM

Health care in the US is not broken. Many folks come to this country for health care they cannot receive in their own countries. Why is that you ask? Because we aren't a national health care system. And the system isn't broken.

mookiemookie 08-10-09 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CastleBravo (Post 1148469)
Health care in the US is not broken. Many folks come to this country for health care they cannot receive in their own countries. Why is that you ask? Because we aren't a national health care system. And the system isn't broken.

Not broken? Do you think this is sustainable?

http://seniorjournal.com/images/Refe...thCare-GDP.jpg

CastleBravo 08-10-09 03:06 PM

Well, I think we are talking about two different things. You are talking about cost and I'm talking about health care.

Tchocky 08-10-09 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CastleBravo (Post 1148411)
If it doesn't say it expliciately, like most laws the devil is in the details.

If it doesn't say it explicitly? Were you guessing?

How will the state provide the care under this legislation?



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We can only go by what Mr. Obama has said publicly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpAyan1fXCE
Or, and bear with me because this is complex, you could go by the legislation that is in progress. And has been posted on this forum.

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I can only guess asto why someone who claims to be from the ruins of Europe would want every country to be in ruin
What?

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Health care in the US is not broken. Many folks come to this country for health care they cannot receive in their own countries.
All that that proves is that the US has a better healthcare system than some countries.

CastleBravo 08-10-09 03:13 PM

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All that that proves is that the US has a better healthcare system than some countries.
Exactly! Britain, Canada, Germany, the EU. Why try to fix something which isn't broken?

Tchocky 08-10-09 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CastleBravo (Post 1148480)
Exactly! Britain, Canada, Germany, etc. Why try to fix something which isn't broken?

No, I think you've missed my point. That the US has a better system than some countries does not mean that the US system does not need improving.


Regarding Britain Germany & Canada, here's a 2007 comparison study that puts the US system in last place.

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Cont...ies--2007.aspx

News story on the report - http://www.reuters.com/article/healt...30711120070515

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Americans get the poorest health care and yet pay the most compared to five other rich countries, according to a report released on Tuesday.
Germany, Britain, Australia and Canada all provide better care for less money, the Commonwealth Fund report found.
"The U.S. health care system ranks last compared with five other nations on measures of quality, access, efficiency, equity, and outcomes," the non-profit group which studies health care issues said in a statement.
Canada rates second worst out of the five overall. Germany scored highest, followed by Britain, Australia and New Zealand.


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