Even if it only looked as good as SH3 I'd be happy. I guess I'm a neo-Luddite or something since I only play on a 17" CRT anyway. This is why simulations are a dying breed: a few flaws and people are ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater despite this being the only game in town. I've seen the sim racing scene fade away into nothing because of similiar attitudes and that was a bigger market than sub sims so lets be thankful for what we do have.

Compression or not, 1024x768 without FSAA just looks....bad. lol

I just tried out some of my current games at that resolution with no FSAA and it was laughable at best.

I wonder if there will be a D3D tweak like there was for SH3. I hope there will be, or I just don't see myself playing this one.

Actually, racing is still huge on the PC.

GTR/GTR2
LFS
rFactor
NR2003 (still being played)


There are still a LOT of people still playing racing games on the PC. It has hardly faded away into nothing. :)

And out of those you listed how many can you go into a store and buy? On a typical night how many are on a server? How many also attract a decent following of casual players who become simmers like the Papyrus titles did? Other than GTR2 none of those are likely to "recruit" more people into the genre.

RFactor has a rather huge following, as does LFS. One thing is for sure...the racingsim forums are sure busier then any other type of game I have seen, except for maybe Avsim. A lot of people run Rfactor races quite often, same with LFS.

Some the SimHQ guys run community races with the various games quite often. Heck, I know a bunch of guys at WWII Online who still play NR2003. :)

That's why we have boardgames, man - LOL (see the sig!).

To be fair, I *realize* it's the only game in town, so I'm willing to forgive a LOT.

That said...I mean, seriously, 3d locked at 1024x768? No FSAA?

Gimme a break! That was passe years ago. It's only painful, now.

Ah, well, as I pointed out earlier in the thread - don't open it, you can always return it. Sucks that we'd even want to, but...maybe eventually some patch will come out that fixes it and we can buy it at a lower price, anyway. Or, not, and it's just money you save outright. I'm hardly so desperate that I'll buy absolutely ANYTHING, regardless of quality, because it has the right theme.

Hey, everbody makes judgements on whats worth their money. I dont see a big deal of 1024x768 and no FSAA as long as the gameplay is there. Its just trivial to me but not others, I guess. Ark, guess what? I'm one of those who still play NR2003, or I did until recently. For me it was the last racing sim that grabbed me and I culd spend hours just running a track setting up my car. Tried GTR but it lacked soul to me and I never could get my wheel set up right.

NR2003 is a good time. :)

Check out rFactor if you have the time. There are quite a few mods for it (with more on the way) that should suit just about any taste.

To be fair, I definitely understand the "graphics don't matter" camp. Hell, I mostly play board games that have no '3d graphics' AT ALL! Indeed, with this Sh4 debacle, I'll happily stick with the earlier and 'graphically less advanced' Sh3. And 'Harpoon 3' (where you just have NATO 'stick figure' displays of ships) is great!

Difference?

Well, see, I see a chasm between 'graphics don't matter', where they are just utilitarian, and 'graphics designed to cut corners', where they are patently offensive to watch. I can watch 2d displays all day to conduct a surface strike if they serve a function. If the sawtooth edges of a 3d rendered scene keep swimming by while looking around the con so often that it makes me literally sick...well...that's a problem.

As I just mentioned in another thread (but is relevant here):

Those same effects (and FSAA) are done on the XBox360 and PS3 on a regular basis - and certainly CAN be done on the PC, but aren't. Why? Well, the XBox360 and PS3 REQUIRE game devs to provide FSAA in all titles. The PC 'platform' doesn't. So, what are the devs to do? Well, clearly, get lazy and aim for the lowest common denominator.

THAT is what pisses me off the most. Same thing that irks me with Rainbow 6 and Ghost Recon 2. They are ALL FSAA'd on the consoles, but NONE on the PC. For no technical reason at all, it's just because the consoles REQUIRE it and the PCs don't, and the devs are interested in delivering as little as possible to get paid. It's just sad!

All this HDR and Post-Processing effects and transparent water..

BUT...

No FSAA and a locked 3D resolution of 1024x768.


Reminds me of what one of my military buddies used to say.

"You can't polish a turd."

lol

That guy cracked me up.

QFT

"you cant polish a turd" lol made me laugh!

Anyway, I imagine most of the crowd that dont care about AA so much arent running 40" screens that will just look awful without decent levels of AA.

I feel its certainly an oportunity missed by the developers here to enlarge the sims appeal, this is really what they were hoping to achieve with the more hollywood look and feel about the game, so to let it out with an inability of using AA really is deeply a backward step - and if its true that the image is upscaled when the res is changed thats also poor. Many people will just not bother with it because it may look like a jigsaw on there 2k screen, remeber theres a whole spectrum of people who could be interested in it, not just the guyz playing on a 17" crt who will buy it regardless.

Poor? I thinks it's an outrage! Can someone tell me how many other games/sims that, when you select a 1600x1200 resolution actually throw out a rendering that's upscaled from a lower resolution? I think this is the first one! One things for sure, I feel deceptive practices are at work by Ubi here to try to get you to part with your money and I almost wonder if they couldn't be sued over such a thing.

OT slightly but..............

this movie, has a soundtrack which to me sounds very much like "lost patrol" from the amiga days, and of course the title would fit well, anyone else notice?
or am I the only amiga geek.

Oh Gawd! Here come the "I'm taking legal action" threads.:88)