Ukraine's economy will gasp for breath for years, in Russia a successor to Putin will come to power who is even more evil than Putin - but if we are lucky, not as cunning. The world economy, Europe's energy issue, and the global food supply will all be massively affected for years, which will keep the other crises, that already existed before, accelerating.

After the war comes the after-war.

In the long run , Russia as a production ecnomy (as which it had no big repuation anyway) is at least as done as is the Ukraine. Since it can only sell arms and gas/energy/oil and ores and ressources and grains, no industrial products of quality, a shrinking demand for their natural ressources will makem Russia even more instabile - and dangerous. This will not have been the last war started by Russia in this century. they cna keep their peopel fed, but that they can always "organise" the money needed to run a state budget and prevent civil unrest and mass unemployment, remains to be seen. For Russians, dark decades lie ahead.

The last time the Russian Army collapsed was back in 1917, it ended up taking down the entire government. The Bolsheviks who replaced the Czar were on the march into Poland within a couple of years.

Thank you for your answer to my question.

I wonder if Dargo and August isn't the one who may be the one who will be closest

That we will se a bloody civil war in Russia.

When it comes to our supply of gas and Oil and other thing Skybird is spot on-I think he's right.

Markus

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Markus

Tomorrow the State Duma of the Russian Federation will consider the decision on a ban on an exchange of the Ukrainian fighters from "Azovstal" Джерело: https://censor.net/ua/n3341935

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Any bets they will be shot attempting an escape?
:hmmm:

Since they shoot their own men the Ukrainian soldiers have no hope!! :k_confused:

Any word on that British Expat that the Russians captured a couple weeks back? I don't believe they were going to give him POW status.

They would be better off to be shot i guess. There will be interrogation most probably with torture, and/or at least lifelong prison in a russian jail.

The sorry excuse for a parliament named "DUMA" will "decide" that an exchange or POW status will not be applied, so they are off limits.
Remember this is AZOV, the pretended excuse for the "special operation" since all Ukraine = Azov and has to be denazified/liberated/killed. Lies on top of lies.

I cannot imagine what awaits them, better do not think about it.
Why was there no possibility to push back russian military just for two days and get them out in time :nope:

Zelensky certainly did not do them a favour when declaring them heroes of Ukraine and glorifying their deeds on TV - signalling to Russia that way how much a blow they could deliver to Ukrainians if not giving back the Azovs. I wonder what devil has ridden him there. If he thought he could protect them by raising their status in public awareness, I think it will backfire. I would love to be shown wrong.

A Russian soldier accused of shooting dead a civilian has pleaded guilty in Ukraine's first war crimes trial.

Vadim Shishimarin, 21, admitted killing the unarmed 62-year-old in the Sumy region days after Russia began its invasion.

Russia's defence ministry says that 959 Ukrainian fighters from the Mariupol steelworks have been taken to Russian-controlled territory since Monday.

Ukraine is calling for a prisoner swap for the evacuated defenders, but their fate is currently uncertain. Ukraine has not said how many people it believes have left the complex.

Russia says the fighters will be treated according to international norms, but a senior Russian politician said "Nazi criminals" should not be exchanged.

The battle for Mariupol appears to be over after a devastating siege that lasted nearly three months.

Sweden and Finland have formally submitted their applications to join Nato.

The alliance's secretary general Jens Stoltenberg said it was "a historic moment, which we must seize", adding that the Nordic countries' membership would increase shared security.

The two nations signalled their intention to apply for membership of the defence alliance in the wake of Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

EU to provide nearly €300bn to help move away from Russian energy

The EU can replace Russian fossil fuels with supplies from other countries, clean sources of power and saving energy, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen says.

The EU will provide nearly €300bn to help Europe move away from Russian energy - about €72bn in grants and €225bn in loans, she says.

The investments will include €10bn for gas infrastructure, €2bn for oil, and the rest for clean energy, von der Leyen says.

The commission is proposing raising its target for energy from renewable sources by 2030 from 40% to 45%, von der Leyen adds.

She also proposes providing up to €9bn in further aid to Ukraine this year.

Von der Leyen also says it is time to think about rebuilding Ukraine whenever the war ends, adding the EU has "a strategic interest in leading this reconstruction effort" but that it should not be the only contributing party.

"That is why we propose a reconstruction platform as part of this plan jointly led by Ukraine and the commission and bringing together EU member states, other bilateral or international donors, international financial institutions, and other like-minded partners," she says.

And Turkey still blocks them. Turkey wants arms deliveries from the US thjat got put on halt, Erdoghan also fears that the balance inside NAOT shifts from mor ein Turkey'S and the south'S favoiur tiowards the Northerns Scandivian region. Due to his own humanitarian misdeeds he does not want Scandinavian countries being so influential. This longterm strategic aim could indeed become a major obstacle. Both NATO and the eU should consider to mount some real seriosu pressure instead of buying themselves out. Against Erdoghan works the financial (inflation 70%!) and economical crisis at home that does not allow him to endlessly manouver if the European states threaten and start to accentuate the Turkish crisis. His star is, like Putin's, sinking.

The economic and financial crisis in Europe is still not severe enough, according to the EU commission. It thus mulls to cap gas prices, wants 300 billion Euros created (inflated) to "help" energy turnaround policies", and wants to further reduce productivity in the energy sector by instead pushing windmills and solar roofs becoming mandatory on all houses. Of course I translate their wishy washy glossy language into plain English here.

We all know what it means when you reduce productivity and the ability to produce: you reduce supply, in relation to that you increase demand, and so you drive up prices. The EU says it wants climate neutrality being accelerated and by that tightening timetables and treshhold criteria even further.

It does not matter whether they mean it well or not: what matters is that they display a terrible lack of understandig for basic economic market processes - and how inflation gets driven. This is not the time anymore to plan a cutting of all existign energy security on behalf of daydreaming and ideological hybris.

Its fair to say the EU is ringing ready for worstening the already perfect storm even further, and intentionally. What would be needed instead is a dramatic strenghtening of nuclear energy to become independend from unpredictable - and instabile! - wind and solar energy production. I see absolutely no other realistic option for the coming 40, 50 years or longer. Also, at thew current present we should noch further destroy our remainign energy security further while not havign replacements in place.

(For private house owners and landlords, it is becoming ruinous. In Germany they do a law now that landlords must pay 50% of the heating costs of their tenants. Whether tenants heat excessively or save energy, does not matter. The possible wasting frenzy of the tenant is somethign the house owner now gets punsihed for: who says he dioe snot heta moe becasue he knwos he pays only half the costs? He could heat 25% more than before, and still pay less than before!)

What have I learned today: no economic costs of a war - and a debt crisis and a financial crisis and an economic crisis all coming together - could ever be bad enough as if they could not be intentionally worstened further. :doh: Reason and sanity are boring, only chaos and conflict-heavy decline promise fun and entertainment. Lets party, and shatter what so far has escaped destruction!