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Originally Posted by August (Post 2822391)

Figure that 99.9999% of people who support Trump are like me.

Now that's one thing we can both agree on!

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2822392)

I stand corrected- I shouldn't have used CNN as source-Since they are known to be a genuin Trump-Hate-tv-station.

Markus

Marko Rubio has already called it:

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Following the FBI raid on former President Donald Trump's home, Sen. Marco Rubio said supporters of the former president will be targeted next. "I'm telling you the next thing you're going to see here, because it's the playbook. And that is, they are now going to begin to say, 'Oh, these Trump supporters, these Republicans, they're very upset. They're saying very angry things. We think they might be a threat. We think they're radical extremists. Let's start arresting them,'" Rubio said on "Hannity" Tuesday.
"The next step in this process is going to be that people who are supporters of Donald Trump or just conservatives complaining about this … are going to begin to get labeled as potential insurrectionists and are going to begin to get harassed by law enforcement," he added. "That's the next step in this playbook, sadly."

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Originally Posted by August (Post 2822401)

Marko Rubio has already called it:

This is scaring thing to read.

I could understand they are going after those who has put up death threat against judges and/or Dems politicians.

The others who may be using profanity or other strong words in their support of Trump shall not be hunted down.

Markus

Here's a fun blast from the past:
Trump team won't pursue charges against Hillary Clinton
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38069585

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US President-elect Donald Trump will not pursue a further investigation into Hillary Clinton's emails, to help her "heal", his spokeswoman has said.

His adviser said Mr Trump would not appoint a special prosecutor to look into the former Secretary of State, as he had pledged during campaigning.

Later, Mr Trump said a fresh inquiry was not off the table, but he didn't want to "hurt the Clintons".
[..]
He told the programme he did not want to "hurt" the Clintons because they are "good people".

The law is no longer blind and disinterested, but adjudicates the indictment, prosecution, verdict, and punishment based upon the ideology of the accused. In addition to Hillarys kid glove treatment over her illegal mail server:

Eric Holder is held in Contempt of Congress and DOJ refuses to prosecute. Peter Navarro is held in Contempt of Congress and is publicly hauled off in cuffs and leg-irons.

James Clapper and John Brennan lied under oath to Congress and were rewarded with television contracts; Roger Stone did the same and a SWAT team showed up for a pre-dawn, televised raid on his home.

Andrew McCabe made false statements to federal investigators and now works for CNN, while a set-up George Papadopoulos goes to prison for a similar charge.

So goes the new American Commissariat. You Europeans had better start standing up on your own because if this continues I think we'll be too busy fighting the second American Civil War to help you with the bear on your doorsteps.

SEN. RAND PAUL: Without question, I think the order to allow the raid on Mar-a-Lago on Trump's house has to be revealed. I think we have to know under what pretense they think this is right? I think it's going to have to wait until November till there's a full investigation. And I've never been a fan of overusing impeachment, but I think there has to be an investigation. And if it warrants it, there's going to have to be a look at whether or not the attorney general has misused his office for political purposes. Have they gone after a political opponent? I mean, this is beyond the pale. No one would have ever imagined before that we would be using or one political party would be using the FBI to attack their political opponents. Now, this is really something that's going to require an investigation. And I wouldn't be surprised if the investigation leads to abuse of power that this could even lead to an impeachment of the attorney general.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-...ys-beyond-pale

Who asked this Judge for this search warrant ?

I presume it was the FBI-Then the question is here-Who told them to get this search warrant ?

Markus

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2822418)

Who asked this Judge for this search warrant ?

I presume it was the FBI-Then the question is here-Who told them to get this search warrant ?

Markus

If I'm not mistaken, that would be the Attorney General of the United States, Merrick Garland

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Originally Posted by MaDef (Post 2822422)

If I'm not mistaken, that would be the Attorney General of the United States, Merrick Garland

Thank you.

I made a search and decided not to use CNN so I found this

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Ten months after starting work for Epstein’s co-conspirators, according to Federal Election Commission records, Reinhart gave $1,000 directly to the Obama campaign and another $1,000 to its fundraising arm, the Obama Victory Fund. Though the records show the judge made mostly small-dollar donations to his law firm’s political action committee in subsequent years, Reinhart also donated $500 to Jeb Bush’s 2016 presidential campaign in November 2015.

https://nypost.com/2022/08/09/judge-...ffrey-epstein/

Markus

I like Byron York's article:

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Why they're mad about the Trump raid

by Byron York, Chief Political Correspondent |

| August 10, 2022 12:10 PM

WHY THEY'RE MAD ABOUT THE TRUMP RAID. In addition to reporting the nuts and bolts of the FBI's unprecedented raid on former President Donald Trump's home in Palm Beach, Florida, much media coverage has also focused on angry Trump supporters, who are portrayed as being whipped up by Republican politicians and MAGA agitators. This is from the Washington Post, about 24 hours after news of the raid broke: "Extremist organizers have tried to hold on to the momentum they built in recent years by finding big-tent causes disparate factions could rally around, such as opposition to pandemic restrictions, 'Stop the Steal' election denial, or an imagined socialist 'indoctrination' of schoolchildren. With each iteration, analysts say, the networks have grown more sophisticated and more violent, as evidenced by the Capitol riot on Jan. 6, 2021. The FBI's search at Mar-a-Lago for classified documents is now presented as a tipping point, an existential threat to the United States that true patriots must thwart."

Some of the Trump supporters' grievances, such as unhappiness with draconian pandemic restrictions, are real and shared with many other voters. Others are imagined, such as their view of the 2020 election. But what is striking about much media analysis of angry Trump supporters is that it overlooks the main reason for their current anger. They are mad because the Mar-a-Lago raid fits into a pattern of behavior targeting Trump and his associates by the FBI, the Justice Department, and the intelligence community — a pattern that dates back to the months before Trump took office in January 2017.

Is it necessary to go over it? One short version of the problem comes from this newsletter on Dec. 11, 2020, calling for Trump to end his election challenges: "An alliance of Trump antagonists in federal law enforcement, intelligence, and the media sought to undermine him from the first moment. From the slick maneuver to publicize the slanders of the Steele dossier to the effort to nail Gen. Michael Flynn to James Comey's game of assuring Trump he was not under investigation while leaving the public impression that he was, and then, to the yearslong Mueller investigation, in which the special counsel discovered early on that the collusion accusation could not be confirmed yet allowed the investigation to go on and on — through all that, Trump faced unprecedented efforts to cripple his presidency and make sure he would not be reelected. In late 2019, House Democrats even impeached the president specifically in hopes that it would weaken him so much that he could not have a second term."

That is not a complete list of grievances. Other examples include the FBI's heavy-handed treatment of Trump associates Paul Manafort and Roger Stone. In the early morning of July 26, 2017, FBI agents, guns drawn, entered Manafort's home in Alexandria, Virginia, to execute a search warrant while Manafort and his wife were at home in bedclothes, having no idea who was coming through the door. "The raid, which occurred without warning ... signaled an aggressive new approach by special counsel Robert Mueller," the Washington Post reported.

Then there was the heavily armed Jan. 25, 2019, arrest of Stone at his house in Florida. Stone's home security system cameras showed agents in tactical gear with assault weapons pointed ahead moving toward Stone's door. They kept the guns trained on a sleepy Stone when he opened the door and was immediately handcuffed.

Both actions seemed like overkill. Not because Manafort and Stone were innocent of any wrongdoing — Manafort was convicted of tax evasion and Stone of lying to Congress — but because the tactics were out of proportion to the situation. And so it seems with the Mar-a-Lago raid. Never before in U.S. history has the FBI raided the residence of a former president. By any account, it was a "major escalation" of the investigation into Trump.

But an investigation of what? At the moment, it appears the raid was done because of a document-handling dispute. When the news first broke, many commentators, including some who are highly critical of Trump, said that an action so momentous — a raid on a former president's home — must have been done for reasons more momentous than a conflict over the Presidential Records Act. Politico Playbook wrote, "One perplexing aspect of the Mar-a-Lago search, at least to some legal analysts, is the crime reportedly being investigated does not seem to match the unprecedented tactic of an FBI raid on a former president's residence."

"They've crossed the Rubicon here," the anti-Trump attorney George Conway said of the Justice Department Tuesday morning. "Not even Richard Nixon's house in San Clemente was searched by the FBI, as far as I know. ... You have to conclude there's something behind the curtain that would surprise us."

So the prevailing opinion was, for the FBI to do something so aggressive, it must be for a really big reason. That was a tacit admission that the FBI's tactics appeared to be excessive if the matter was simply a possible violation of the Presidential Records Act. And yet, for the moment at least, that is the best state of our knowledge of the raid. Christina Bobb, one of Trump's lawyers who was at Mar-a-Lago and saw the search warrant, told Dinesh D'Souza's podcast, "It's all about [the National Archives and Records Administration] and the Records Preservation Act. As far as I can tell, it has nothing to do with Jan. 6. They say that they were looking for presidential records ... and potential crimes of releasing classified information, or something to that effect. So they have basically turned the FBI into overzealous librarians."

Who knows what the reality is? In the end, it might turn out that the original impressions were right, that the raid really was about more than the National Archives and the Presidential Records Act. But at the moment, it appears the FBI has again engaged in its trademark anti-Trump overkill. And that's why many of the former president's supporters are angry. No, that does not justify violence on anyone's part. It doesn't justify an ugly riot like Jan. 6. But of course Trump's supporters are angry at the FBI. From their point of view, it's the old unfair treatment happening again.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...the-trump-raid

^ Here, you the ordinary American should unite-However this is impossible since those who can't stand his guts are nothing but happy about the witch hunt we are witness to.

My comment give the impression that I generalize which I do not-I'm convince there's anti-Trump out there in USA who's angry on how Trump is being treated.

Sad indeed.

Markus

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2822441)

^ Here, you the ordinary American should unite-However this is impossible since those who can't stand his guts are nothing but happy about the witch hunt we are witness to.

Sad indeed.

Markus

Indeed it is Markus.

I'm not a big supporter of Trump or Biden. So a different kind of ordinary Citizen that people outside the USA don't seem to look at as a seperate entity to deal with.

I see BOTH sides as conceiving, and executing, through planning and/or collusion, illegal actions.
BOTH sides then try to cover those actions.

And Trump pleads the 5th against his opinion from 2016. :haha:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-ca...ost_type=share

Two Danish news side has posted an issue about this search warrant at Trumps resident.

I have copied and translated some of the comments.

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Now the pitiful Trumpists swarm out of their rat's nests. Now their little favorite baby is in the police spotlight, so they just have to help him get through life. To think that a corrupt politician could risk being punished! We can't have that!

no response only a few haha

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He, fishface, probably thinks he's far too trustworthy to deserve to have his home investigated. Hope they find something to keep him out of power soon. He is an overly mentally ill and thus dangerous man

No response

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The worst thing is his supporters, without them he was nothing.

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He has an agenda..namely his own
And he can manipulate an entire world into alignment with the help of lies in all guises.. and he can afford to buy himself to his will...He is deadly to everyone in the free world

Most of the comments is anti-trumps.

Here some pro-Trump comments and response

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It just proves how afraid the Democrats are of him and the huge popularity and support he has. Best President since Reagan. GO TRUMP.

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"Is Trump the best president since Reagan? Ha, that's the funniest thing I've read today! Trump is the dumbest president ever."

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The witch hunt against Trump continues unabated

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Total Erdogan style, the Democrats run in the USA

Response: "The Democrats are the most disgusting"

It was a nice round this time-I remember how awful both side could be against each other when Trump was President.

I agree it's waaayyy to little to say Trump had the highest percentage of supporters/voters based on only two source. The President who had the highest percentage on who was against the President was Obama.
He is the President since Kennedy who has received most death threat and hate mails.

Can't say how it is with Trump. If there in the entire world are more anti-Trump than Pro-Trump.

Markus