I'm using Firefox and an add-in called IE Tab 2, which will encapsule an IE windows safely within the confines of Firefox for those sites which require IE. IE Tab 2 will even memorize sites that need it and automatically load them into an IE Tab whenever you visit the site.

One thing I hate about IE is that it will remember your passwords. Then any hacker or intruder with actual access to your machine can start up IE on your machine and all your passwords are just handed to them gratis. They are entirely unprotected. Same is true of Chrome. Not true of Firefox.

I can let you on my machine and you have no access to my passwords. They are all protected by a master password.

@Debbie: a botnet will run on your machine just fine and not inconvenience you a bit. They automatically sense when you are at the keyboard and ratchet back to less than 5% or 10% of CPU resources so you can't even tell they're there. But when you're not at the keyboard, the botnet software, which is giving you no trouble at all, is busilly passing out spam to all your friends and contacts, as well as helping distribute stolen movies, software, porn, etc. Some malware, like Comodo firewall, actually perform a service for you while performing all the above slimey actions when you're not aware. Does that justify their use?

Just because something works and is no trouble is not sufficient reason to say that the application or operating system is okay. If Windows 10 were the best working operating system on the planet it would be unacceptable because of property conversion, privacy issues, peer to peer use of your computer and internet access to conduct Microsoft's business at your expense, lack of respect for user choices, total ownership of all files and software on your machine, unspecified data collection with twice daily encrypted uploads of large amounts of information to Microsoft, unrestricted use of your microphone and webcam at all times your computer is on (you want that in your daughter's bedroom at night?), updates that are not updates but a vector for even more spyware officially sponsored by the computer company who should be protecting our interests, not preying upon our ignorance or misplaced trust.

Ease and effectiveness of operation can be sweeteners for a trojan horse. In the case of Windows 10, that is exactly what they are. Just a spoonful of sugar makes the medicine (or poison) go down.

Sigh....

Shut the computer off and pull the plug to be sure.....:doh:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-au/w...ra-privacy-faq

The camera can be shut off allowing no app to be able to use it. Cortana as well for using the microphone.

There is always the master switch so your daughter can sleep at night and not be watched!

Cameras have been compromised long before MS decided to use it for Windows Hello that scans the retina.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/30126...-strategy.html

Charming. :damn:

Just like the other OS of past....MS stopped supporting them. They died a slow death. Now it is a forced execution.

NOT just like operating systems of the past. No other operating system has become its own adware and malware server. Only Microsoft knows its new product is so unlovable, so decrepit, so against the interests of its customers that it has had to redefine the words customer, menu, update, upgrade, privacy, purchase and customer choice.

Look, who's a nicer guy than Leo Laporte? Who's more learned about the state of the art in multiple operating systems and who communicates better? Just about nobody, that's who. Taking part of your day to listen to what he has to say is never the worst possible expenditure of your time. So what does a much nicer guy than myself have to say about the situation?

Can Microsoft Access Your Hard Drive? by Leo Laporte

If he's concerned then I'm not a fruitcake. It shocked me that he used the same example of Holland before World War II as I have. But he was so much nicer about it, while saying a good deal more than I have.

Read again what I posted. It has nothing to do with how the OS operates. It concerned the method of forcing out an old OS as compared to letting it die a slow death from non-support.

You have beaten your point to exhaustion.

My point is entirely unrebutted. I'm just releasing information as I find it to demonstrate that my opinion is not only mine, but shared among the best respected minds in the computer press. And, of course, I release new information as I find it.

Just done my Oct/Nov updates and checked Dec updates for Win8.1 got nine classed as important and four as optional, ran a search and MS trying on!

Important updates
KB3112336 Update turns out to be another Win10 being pushed.

Next two seem odd, MS classes them for Win7. :hmm2:
KB3108381
KB 3109103

Same for these two optional updates
KB3102429
KB3112148

Any how wrote them all down and will check the lot out in Jan to see what I will allow on my PC.

Are you getting paid by Microsoft, or why do you distort things so constantly in here? Stopping to support an OS, and trying evertyhing to bypass people'S defences that refuse to get the replacement but want to stick to the old one, are TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS. People want Microsoft to accept their No as a No - and MS totally , impertinently refuses to do so, like a burglar does not accept a locked door, but breaks it open. You could as well claim that kicking in a door with heavy boots, and politely knocking on a door one time, asking, are the same. MS does not take a No as a No, that is where their behaviopr oversteps the line to impettince, and imo: crime. Now get it, finally.

I told before that best thing is to leave W7 updates behind - forever.

Search for a patch collection download bringing a newly installed W7 to standard SP1 from 2011. Then find another patch collection that includesthe patches form then until November 2015 ( most likely find), or preferrably early 2014 (difficult to find). And use exclusively these to update W7 if you reinstall it.

Note that such collections usually get updated by the maintainer of these collections. So if you wait another couple of days, the critical items of December Black Thursday will be included. I would not want these anymore.

Keep your notes on critical KB updates from the past, since Spring 2014 (that roughly when MS started its coups to overthrow users' freedom of choice and freedom to reject). If you ever update from these downloaded patch collections, have these critical numbers excluded from the installer. This is a German download site, pick the third line of download icons (W7), left icon that reads "Vollversion" (full version - the one to the right is just an update from an earlier library version) These collections still are 2.58.1 at the time I write this and still do not include the December malware.

An SP1 pack must be installed before this, but should be easier to find via Google.

Stop caring to ever switch on Windows Update for W7 again. Understand that you are now under attack by Microsoft- and they will not stop that soon. Its no ideal solution - its the lesser of two evils only. Thats why I recomend to go dual boot, to reduce the risk from being exposed to all the non-MS threats out there.

According to the article you will have no choice but to move to Windows 10. Clinging to W7 will all be for naught.

Im running win 10 and have my updates set on manual but yesterday I got these updates installed. I checked them and most of them relate to office 2007 and flash player so they say.
KB3114431
KB3114457
KB3106614
KB3085616
KB3085549
KB3116869
KB3114422
KB3114458
KB3114425
KB3119147
now like i said most of them are for office 2007 running on win 7 and 8.1 so i don't know why there being installed on win 10.
there's anouther update for silverlight and flashplayer.

I had a similar situation I run MS Office 2003 because mainly I like it more over the new versions, anyway I had KB's listed for MS Office 2007 and 2010! I posted on a Tech site asking do I really need them, answer came back no delete them. I'm now on manual download no auto, you may not need them but best to wait to hear from some one with better knowledge.

It seems MS is getting sloppy over its updates, here you go install this lot hang on as posted here I got four marked for Win7 I'm using Win8.1.

I would hope the opt out is available. I have very little use for Cortana.

http://news.yahoo.com/windows-10-nex...153620360.html

There are quite a few people who have no use for Cortana, myself included. If you Google "disable Cortana", you'll find several links on how tow to get rid of Cortana and its features. I really have no use for it, so I have disabled it and have had no problems...

There is one little bit you should know about Cortana: since it is built into the coding of Win 10, a kernel for it will load when you boot up. The kernel does not really affect the CPU usage (Task Manager shows it as 0%) and seems to have no other negative effects; it just resides there should you ever wish to reactivate the app...

Regarding the whole Win 10 brouhaha, this morning I was thinking about how it must be difficult for software publishers who have been around for a couple of decades, or a bit less, to deal with customers who, for whatever reason, wish to cling to earlier versions of a particular software. On the one hand, you have new customers who are demanding the latest tech advances be catered to; you have an ever diverse hardware base to adapt your product to; and you have to remain competitive with other publishers. On the other hand, you have a loyal base of previous and existing customers who tenaciously wish to cling to the familiar and known. Then, there is the ever-increasing appetite by the potential customer base, in general, to be connected via the various social media outlets existing and being created or modified every day. As a publisher, you have limited resources as regards research and development and, likewise, limited resources for customer support. The question for the publisher is this: Do you devote your R&D and support to creating new product to meet ever-increasing demands or do you siphon off a significant portion of your resources to support what is rapidly becoming a line of outdated, possibly irrelevant, former product for a portion of your customer base whose product use is dwindling as time goes on? There has to come a time, no matter what the product, when a manufacturer or publisher has to take what resources they have and cut the apron stings the ever smaller percentage of die-hards have been clinging to. There is a reason there is not a large public demand for buggy-whips...

In thinking of this, I was reminded of a situation I found myself involved with when I worked for a film production company. The controller/co-producer of the company had worked her way up from accounting clerk to her then high position and had been among the first to use PCs and film production accounting software when they came on line. The problem I faced was she had become very accustomed to the DOS version of the software and adamantly refused to even consider using the newer Windows version of the software. There were occasions when some problem or other would crop up requiring a rep from the publisher to have to come down to or offices and patch or repair the software. More than once the rep would privately ask me if I would please try to get the controller to upgrade to the newer Windows version; our production company was the last one still using the old software and having to upkeep the product was a nagging problem for the publisher. The only reason the publisher even continued to support that one, lone, copy was because the production company was a long-time client and generated a good amount of revenue. However, the rep told me, the publisher was really nearing the point when he would have to "pull he plug" on the lone hold out. Now, take this situation and multiply it by hundreds of thousands or millions of hold-outs and it is easily seen where, in a strict business sense, the cost of supporting such a customer base is just bad business...


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Every problem that has been posted in this forum can be solved in most cases by simply turning that option off.
Even Cortana when you click on the search icon and Cortana starts up it will ask you if you want to use it to search just select no and it won’t ask again.
If you want to use the web browser I.E. then just search for it and when the icon shows just right click on it and select pin to task bar and there you go.
With a few little add-ons my Windows 10 Looks the same as my Windows 7 System although Window 10 handles things a lot smoother and also quite a bit faster.
Windows 10 will run any program that I have installed and working on my Windows 7 machine.
And yes some information is save in my Microsoft account so if I have to re-load Windows 8 or 8.1 or 10 then all my bookmarks in I.E. are saved and will re-appear as will the passwords I also saved in I.E.
This means I don’t have to re-bookmark them.
I myself didn’t like one affect off Windows 10 and after quite a few goes at it I finally manage to turn that problem off for good this also helped with any communication with my machine when it was in sleep mode.
Although I never found that this had happened I read somewhere it was possible.
So nearly all the Scare Mongering can be got rid of with a right click of the mouse.

Dragon Rider, I took the trouble to assemble the vast majority of the diverse materials I have posted to the thread telling you that your sentence above is not only wrong, it is damned wrong. Read them.

Windows resets switches. Switches are not available for all spyware/adware incorporated into Windows. Microsoft has even deleted the entire malware module, renamed and redistributed it, rendering all disabling of your precious options null and void. The right click of the mouse is not respected by Microsoft. And it is not effective anyway.

Example: Microsoft reserves the right to access and modify all your files on any connected drive without restriction. Where is the right-click to disable that? They even uninstall software from your machine. Where is the right-click option to disable that? Are you happy giving away ownership of your machine to a company who profits from it and gives you none of the resulting revenue? Do you acknowledge that you have any property rights whatever or do you see all property as owned in common, subject to confiscation or conversion to others' uses in conflict with your own? Property rights are a central point of republican government. Surrender of property rights puts you in a fascist or socialist regime. Wanna go there?

Only answer people must rise up but as I have often said they will not, result we are boned on and off the Net. :03:

You Keep saying all this but I am using it and have seen no evidence of it :nope: