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August 02-03-11 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat (Post 1589705)
you can't really predict anything on the basis of one winter.

No but this hasn't been the only cold winter either. Last year was pretty cold as well, as was the year before that and the year before that.

How many winters does it take before it's not just "the weather"?

AVGWarhawk 02-03-11 11:42 AM

Neal...I have been chasing that damn storm with FEMA trailers since Saturday. Got a few in Wright Patterson left over. The others being returned to Fort Worth. Enjoy the snow! :O:

Tchocky 02-03-11 11:45 AM

Heckuva job :D

Armistead 02-03-11 11:53 AM

No doubt the ocean is cooling due to all the fresh water run off from melting ice.

Nobody is clear on what has gone wrong. Suggestions for blame include the melting of sea ice or increased flow from Siberian rivers into the Arctic. Both would load fresh water into the surface ocean, making it less dense and so preventing it from sinking, which in turn would slow the flow of tropical water from the south.

And either could be triggered by man-made climate change. Some climate models predict that global warming could lead to such a shutdown later this century.

The last shutdown, which prompted a temperature drop of 5°C to 10°C in western Europe, was probably at the end of the last ice age, 12,000 years ago. There may also have been a slowing of Atlantic circulation during the Little Ice Age, which lasted sporadically from 1300 to about 1850 and created temperatures low enough to freeze the River Thames in London.

AVGWarhawk 02-03-11 11:54 AM

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Nobody is clear on what has gone wrong.
Perhaps nothing is wrong and this is the natural course of the global weather systems. :hmmm:

Takeda Shingen 02-03-11 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Armistead (Post 1589740)
The last shutdown, which prompted a temperature drop of 5°C to 10°C in western Europe, was probably at the end of the last ice age, 12,000 years ago. There may also have been a slowing of Atlantic circulation during the Little Ice Age, which lasted sporadically from 1300 to about 1850 and created temperatures low enough to freeze the River Thames in London.

Many famines have been associated with the effects of the Little Ice Age, most notably the Great Famine of 1315-1317; caused by excessive precipitation and colder than normal winters.

Alex 02-03-11 12:07 PM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...a-snow-beijing :O:

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/8...dification.jpg

What's fine with unusual snow falls is that whatever people's reaction may be, absolutely everyone still gets screwed economically/politically/etc., but at least they shut up about it. :D

Sailor Steve 02-03-11 12:28 PM

Where I'm at it's currently too cold to snow, which is about average for February here. Last summer was just fairly average too.

All of which means exactly nothing, of course. I just thought I'd pitch in. :sunny:

Skybird 02-03-11 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1589732)
How many winters does it take before it's not just "the weather"?

Weather cycles are micro-cycles, like El Nino and sun cycles are microcycles as well. The weather is made by the general climate. Now figure. When weather cycles are counted in mostly the one- and low two-digit range, you now may have an idea what macro-cycles like climate changes are about: Centuries. Millenia. Tens of thousands of years - and even one zero more. :03:

Weiss Pinguin 02-03-11 12:29 PM

Heh, forecast for Corpus Christi is 20% chance of 'Wintry Mix' this afternoon, then 70% tonight. Tomorrow should be interesting, just as long as the power doesn't go out again - yesterday what was supposed to be a 40 minute power outage lasted about 12 hours... You don't even need snow down here in South Texas, just give us a cold snap and everything goes to pot :nope:

I'm almost tempted to go running again today just to see the looks on people's faces :haha:

Skybird 02-03-11 12:32 PM

"30076" - my God it's true! Steve, you are a posting animal, really! :woot:

Sailor Steve 02-03-11 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 1589764)
"30076" - my God it's true! Steve, you are a posting animal, really! :woot:

My daily average is roughly twice yours, but falls far short of *ahem* some... :D

Onkel Neal 02-03-11 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by AngusJS (Post 1589633)
Thank goodness there is no difference between weather and climate - we just have to check what the weather is doing in Houston to see if the climate is changing or not. All those satellites, Antarctic science labs and computer models can be replaced by a simple thermometer at Neal's house.

But surely you will be raising the alarm about climate change when you have a heat wave, right?

That's right, I am the Supreme Meteroelogist. I also resole shoes.

And it's always fun to see people rushing to explain global warning to me each year :D

AVGWarhawk 02-03-11 01:17 PM

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That's right, I am the Supreme Meteroelogist. I also resole shoes.

Gave up watch repair I see. :hmmm:

Weiss Pinguin 02-03-11 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens (Post 1589792)
That's right, I am the Supreme Meteroelogist. I also resole shoes.

And it's always fun to see people rushing to explain global warning to me each year :D

Oh, I believe in global warming. All it took was one August in Texas to convince me :haha:


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