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Respenus 06-28-16 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Raptor1 (Post 2414892)
Also, is there no mechanic or event which forces the population satisfaction up if it gets too low, like a revolution or something along those lines? Seems like the system is somewhat flawed if not.

It should, unfortunately from what I gathered from relevant forum posts, the system is broken. Instead of giant revolt that if defeated "clears the air", the system keeps contentment at around 0%, with riots and uprisings even, but without the appearance of rebel troops (well France now has one rebelling region, but that is an outlier).

This is one more thing that should be fixed in the next patch, but by then, it would be kinder to just divide Austria among its neighbours, as there would be nothing left.

I know that post unification Italy suffers from similar problems in a normal game; ours is far from, with contentment at 0% in many non-Piedmont Italian regions. The two back-to-back financial crises, malinvestment and the lack of food on the international market has resulted in a downward spiral that we cannot get out of without a minor reset.

The only problem that I see is that we can only increase contentment in all regions of a specific country, but I do not know of a command that would do the same thing for specific regions. As such, I recommend that we are kind to Austria and give it a +50 contentment boost to all regions, as contentment at 50% only has a 5% chance for demonstrations and not all of its regions are at 0 contentment. Hopefully, with Austria no longer needing food support from international markets, other countries will be able to buy the necessary products.

If it appears after a couple of turns that Austria, France or Prussia require extra support, we can give each an increase of 10 or 20 for example.

Betonov 06-28-16 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Respenus (Post 2415026)

This is one more thing that should be fixed in the next patch, but by then, it would be kinder to just divide Austria among its neighbours, as there would be nothing left.

Maybe Austria could take Piedmontian fat content provinces to pacify the population in the Empire :hmmm:


One thing I noticed, that there's a set number of provinces on strike.
Just the last turn, 3 provinces got pacified, at the same turn 3 others went on strike. And that's the third time it happened since this mess started.

Respenus 06-28-16 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Betonov (Post 2415065)
One thing I noticed, that there's a set number of provinces on strike.

Just the last turn, 3 provinces got pacified, at the same turn 3 others went on strike. And that's the third time it happened since this mess started.

That is damn peculiar :hmmm: I have never heard of anything similar happening to other players and it has not occurred in any of my games. I know the situation is dictated by contentment and your society may have descended into chaos in waves, or it could be a limit set by the developers in order to prevent total destruction of a nation's economy.

However, you should not worry, as things are looking up for you. At 50+ contentment, things stabilise and you get full production back, plus reform policies reset often enough for you to stabilise any future negative developments. Plus, with very low militancy, your contentment will stay at its levels for far higher than in other countries.

Oberon 06-28-16 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 2415012)
OT :O:



Sounds like England, in the the 1960/70ies



~ join the EU? :hmmm:

We've already had the EU I think...

http://i.imgur.com/vSlQG6N.jpg?1

:haha: :03:

Raptor1 06-28-16 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Respenus (Post 2415026)
It should, unfortunately from what I gathered from relevant forum posts, the system is broken. Instead of giant revolt that if defeated "clears the air", the system keeps contentment at around 0%, with riots and uprisings even, but without the appearance of rebel troops (well France now has one rebelling region, but that is an outlier).

This is one more thing that should be fixed in the next patch, but by then, it would be kinder to just divide Austria among its neighbours, as there would be nothing left.

I know that post unification Italy suffers from similar problems in a normal game; ours is far from, with contentment at 0% in many non-Piedmont Italian regions. The two back-to-back financial crises, malinvestment and the lack of food on the international market has resulted in a downward spiral that we cannot get out of without a minor reset.

The only problem that I see is that we can only increase contentment in all regions of a specific country, but I do not know of a command that would do the same thing for specific regions. As such, I recommend that we are kind to Austria and give it a +50 contentment boost to all regions, as contentment at 50% only has a 5% chance for demonstrations and not all of its regions are at 0 contentment. Hopefully, with Austria no longer needing food support from international markets, other countries will be able to buy the necessary products.

If it appears after a couple of turns that Austria, France or Prussia require extra support, we can give each an increase of 10 or 20 for example.

I see. I'd rather everyone get the same boost regardless of whether they are in trouble or not, though. That would allow countries that have managed to keep their population happy keep their advantage and that way would be more fair in general.

If you tell me the necessary console commands I can see about implementing this next turn or so.

EDIT: Or whatever commands they are.

Betonov 06-29-16 12:19 PM

I'm kind of split in my opinion here.
One way I'd love to have my problem magically removed, but at the same time I want to solve it because it gives me a challenge during the more peacefull time of the game. And if this wasn't an actuall gameplay bug I'd never thought of asking for a codeline change.

Considering it all I am running a surplus and can (maybe) keep going until the global economy stabilises. And Austria will be working on solutions to the matter.

So for the time being let's wait a little longer and if the problem spreads too much we'll put it to a vote.

Respenus 06-30-16 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Betonov (Post 2415385)
So for the time being let's wait a little longer and if the problem spreads too much we'll put it to a vote.

Aw, come on man, I already wrote the event and everything :wah:

I do understand why you want to deal with it, but if that worked, it would have worked already when it was just a few provinces on strike. Furthermore, I would have agreed with you if I did not know that this is a bug.

Plus looking at the world trade market, it is clear that there is a major international food shortage going on and those regions that still produce a surplus of food either cannot cover the demand (like Piedmont-Sardinia) or are not accessible (the centre of South America).

Lastly, this has been a highly unusual game to say the least. I have never seen or heard of Switzerland in total revolt, so that should be an indication of how bad things are.

So, let us give everyone a 50 contentment boost (it can only go up to 100), and with the knowledge you all have now on how to play the game, I am certain that this will not have to be repeated in the future.

Betonov 06-30-16 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Respenus (Post 2415541)
So, let us give everyone a 50 contentment boost (it can only go up to 100), and with the knowledge you all have now on how to play the game, I am certain that this will not have to be repeated in the future.

Motion proposed
Everyone in favor say ''aye''

AYE !!!!


Austria [x]
Prussia [x]
UK [ ]
France [ ]
USA [ ]
Italy [x]

Voting will conclude on sunday, abstained votes will not be counted.

HunterICX 06-30-16 09:57 AM

JA!

Respenus 06-30-16 12:22 PM

While I could use the boost after unification (in an in-game year or two from now), I vote aye, especially as it will finally stop the massive refugee influx from my eastern neighbour's imploding economy :D

Betonov 06-30-16 01:59 PM

What refugees.
Austria is the happiest place on the planet. So liberal we allow people to protest.
We allow people to protest the lack of electrical apliances before the invention of electricity.
And they say we're still feudal, opressing the common Slav and not allowing any kind of disgruntlement.

Raptor1 07-03-16 06:11 PM

The ayes have it, it seems. Unfortunately the event didn't fire since it was set to the wrong month. I'll try to fix it for the next turn.

Oberon 07-04-16 06:28 AM

How can you tell when other nations are having civil unrest anyway? :hmmm:

HunterICX 07-04-16 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2416519)
How can you tell when other nations are having civil unrest anyway? :hmmm:

One of the map filters on the bottom left shows you the population content levels and they include that of the other nations.

Betonov 07-04-16 06:54 AM

The Austrian Empire pledges not to treat it's subjects like cattle and will do everything to prevent another game breaking crisis. If this promise is broken may the Lord give to Habsburgs another Charles II of Spain.


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