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ET2SN 01-10-20 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Quatro (Post 2644128)
1983?

:hmm2:

If you want to dig into 1983 (and there's a lot to dig into), we should start a new thread.

:Kaleun_Cheers:

Rufus Shinra 01-11-20 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar (Post 2644145)
Yep. ;)


No excuse, everyone needs to know what the hell they're aiming at before they pull the trigger and kill people. At least the Chinese positively identified their target as a U.S. spy plane before they crashed into it.

Amen to this, even if your gut says the radar contact is a F-14 getting ready for an attack run on your cruiser, you still double-check it before firing.

Skybird 01-11-20 05:53 AM

In war, sh!t happens. Before now condemning the Iranians and Russians for their acts, lets not forget that the US should remember how it feels. On July 3rd 1988 the USS Vincennes misidentified Iranian flight 655 as an attacking F14 Tomcat at Bandar-Abas, and shot the Airbus A300 down with a SM2-MR missile. 290 dead.


Something similiar seems to have happened in Teheran. One had just struck the US bases. One had to expect possible US air retaliation. One was on high alert. Adrenaline and excitement and fear all around. Someobdy saw an American snake crawling in the grass - or so he thought -, and pulled his sword.


Sh!t happens in war. The longer one plays with fire, the more often one gets burned. Until one played one time too often. Then the whole house and street goes boom and ablaze.

ikalugin 01-11-20 06:31 AM

I would point out that in many cases it is not entirely clear what the target is, even if there is an ability to visually observe the target but particularly when this ability is not there.


C4ISR systems and rules of engagement help, but while Iran could adopt the later those are situational as the threat of attack by massed cruise missiles or stealth aircraft precludes such careful ROEs and I am not aware of Iran obtaining advanced C4ISR systems to go with their SAMs (they are on the market though).

Jimbuna 01-11-20 07:44 AM

Iran has admitted "unintentionally" shooting down a Ukrainian passenger jet, killing all 176 people on board.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51073621

No doubt the poor bugga of the lowest rank who pressed the launch button will be made the scapegoat and not those higher up the chain of command who are responsible for the weapons system and gave the order to fire.

Jimbuna 01-11-20 09:23 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqEaRkkrvFE

Commander Wallace 01-11-20 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2644182)
Iran has admitted "unintentionally" shooting down a Ukrainian passenger jet, killing all 176 people on board.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51073621

No doubt the poor bugga of the lowest rank who pressed the launch button will be made the scapegoat and not those higher up the chain of command who are responsible for the weapons system and gave the order to fire.




:agree: I never expected Iran to admit to shooting down this aircraft. Then again, forensic science, being what it is, left Iran with little choice. This is a good reason why travel in the area or in the volatile and socially backwards country that is Iran, should be avoided.

Jimbuna 01-11-20 09:44 AM

Thankfully when I was there in 1977 it was less so.

Mr Quatro 01-11-20 02:05 PM

Iran is looking even more like a third wold country instead of a nation with wisdom in today's nuclear age :yep:

Aktungbby 01-11-20 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2644182)
Iran has admitted "unintentionally" shooting down a Ukrainian passenger jet, killing all 176 people on board.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51073621

No doubt the poor bugga of the lowest rank who pressed the launch button will be made the scapegoat and not those higher up the chain of command who are responsible for the weapons system and gave the order to fire.

well, I expect the '"poor bugga's" wife, and the battery commander's to recieve a pipe bomb if precedent is any guarantee; as they did to the USS Vincennes captain's wife...in San Diego!! followed by an apology to the still-living captain after years of harrassment! All things being akbar-equal to the god of war...theoretically:arrgh!:and I wonder what the Iranian commemorative postage stamp will look like to honor all those dead Canadian-Iranians??

mapuc 01-11-20 07:08 PM

And I can't understand why they didn't close the Iranian airspace

From xx.xx hour and until further notice the Iranian airspace is closed for civilian aircraft.

Markus

Skybird 01-11-20 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2644260)
And I can't understand why they didn't close the Iranian airspace

From xx.xx hour and until further notice the Iranian airspace is closed for civilian aircraft.

Markus

Actually, it seems some high ranking air defence commander demanded right that. And was overturned by a higher instancene in the political-military command chain. I read this somewhere over the day, but for the sake of heaven cant remember the source anymore, whether it was an English or German newspaper.

Jimbuna 01-12-20 07:40 AM

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Iran plane crash: Protesters condemn 'lies' on downed jet.

Hundreds of protesters have taken to the streets in Iran's capital, Tehran, to vent anger at officials, calling them liars for having denied shooting down a Ukrainian passenger plane.

Protests took place outside at least two universities, with tear gas reportedly fired.

US President Donald Trump tweeted support for the "inspiring" protests.

The students called for those responsible for the downing the plane, and those they said had covered up the action, to be prosecuted.

Chants included "commander-in-chief resign", referring to Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, and "death to liars".

One wrote on Twitter: "I will never forgive the authorities in my country, the people who were on the scene and lying."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51079965
The POTUS and Secretary of State Pompeo just have to get involved.

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The government of Iran must allow human rights groups to monitor and report facts from the ground on the ongoing protests by the Iranian people. There can not be another massacre of peaceful protesters, nor an internet shutdown. The world is watching.
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"The voice of the Iranian people is clear. They are fed up with the regime's lies, corruption, ineptitude, and brutality of the IRGC [Revolutionary Guards] under Khamenei's kleptocracy. We stand with the Iranian people who deserve a better future."

Moonlight 01-12-20 10:44 AM

That's not how the Iranian camel shaggers and sheep molesters see it.

"UK Envoy Arrested after Provoking Anti-Iran Gathering"
https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2...thering-source

Mr Quatro 01-12-20 11:01 AM

Double jeopardy ... Not only did Iran lie about the shooting down of a civilian airliner they knew immediately that they had done something wrong and then they lied about it.

The Iranians are not happy with their leaders and it could become a serious issue in the near future :yep:

"What else are they lying about"?


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