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Jimbuna 09-22-15 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MGR1 (Post 2344456)

In the meantime, up in Scotland, Sturgeon has stated that the SNP's Manifesto for the 2016 Scottish Parliamentary Elections will contain details of what could trigger independence referendum number two. However, she has apparently stated that she has no intention of calling one unless she and the SNP can win it.

Mike.

Which begs a few questions regarding who or which individual has the supreme right to make said decision and who is going to pay for it?

STEED 09-22-15 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2346376)
hope we can debate without resorting to name calling and or insults.

Cheeky B'stard how dare you take a holiday without out our permission and come on spouting this that and corr shes got a nice pair of boobs. :stare:


This post was bought you by the sarcastic gits on this thread. :arrgh!: :03:


Jim back everyone we missed you. :) :up:

BossMark 09-22-15 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2346376)
Not quite as dramatic but it is certainly the end for me.

I did think hard about cancelling my membership, but my friend whos pretty high up in the GMB union talked me out of it, hope I don't regret my decision....

Jimbuna 09-22-15 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BossMark (Post 2346402)
I did think hard about cancelling my membership, but my friend whos pretty high up in the GMB union talked me out of it, hope I don't regret my decision....

Then in some folks opinions that would make you a 'sheeple'.

Don't go calling Dave and his gang names when your party have made it so easy for whatever policies they decide upon in the future.

Only 'certainty' now is deciding which one of the Tory three will succeed him.

STEED 09-22-15 01:42 PM

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Former Liberal Democrat leader Sir Menzies Campbell has said it will take a decade for the party to recover from the last election.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34325554

I think that is rather optimistic, to get back to those days of 60 odd MP's going take you more like 20 years or more.


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Tim Farron who insisted - in an interview with the BBC - that the Lib Dems could hold power in just five years.
Dream on..

BossMark 09-22-15 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2346404)
Then in some folks opinions that would make you a 'sheeple'.

Don't go calling Dave and his gang names when your party have made it so easy for whatever policies they decide upon in the future.

Well there is one thing I shall not be singing his praises or agreeing with him, and I said "thought hard about cancelling" I never actually said that was going to cancel it.

Jimbuna 09-22-15 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 2346406)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34325554

I think that is rather optimistic, to get back to those days of 60 odd MP's going take you more like 20 years or more.




Dream on..

I'm actually wondering if I'll see a Labour government again in my lifetime :hmm2:

BossMark 09-22-15 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 2346406)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34325554

I think that is rather optimistic, to get back to those days of 60 odd MP's going take you more like 20 years or more.
Dream on..

Give me a pint of what he as been drinking, it must be bloody good stuff.

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2346419)
I'm actually wondering if I'll see a Labour government again in my lifetime :hmm2:

My mum and dad said that last weekend...I would like to say yes but I have my doubts.....

Oberon 09-22-15 02:12 PM

I was chatting to a chap last night who reckoned that Corbyn would make a good Prime Minister, he also sang the praises of Gordon Brown.

Mind you...he was pretty paralytic at the time... :hmmm:

Jimbuna 09-22-15 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2346431)
I was chatting to a chap last night who reckoned that Corbyn would make a good Prime Minister, he also sang the praises of Gordon Brown.

Mind you...he was pretty paralytic at the time... :hmmm:

LOL :)

MGR1 09-23-15 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2346378)
Which begs a few questions regarding who or which individual has the supreme right to make said decision and who is going to pay for it?

Cameron allowing the last vote has set a precedent, Jim. It can now be argued that, from now on, Scotland's position within the Union is it's decision alone. Although it isn't legally binding, the concept of American style "Sovereignty of the People" in Scotland is taken as a given. The Cons have said that they won't allow another vote, which is the right of the UK government as it alone holds power over matters concerning the constitution. However, by temporarily devolving the matter to Holyrood to allow the referendum to take place, Cameron and the Cons have set another precedent.

As for who pays for it, the rest of the UK could demand that Scotland pays for it itself, but that wouldn't stop one taking place. The funding would just come from other sources whilst giving the Nationalists (of all parties, not just the SNP) more ammunition.

Who knows.:hmm2:

Mike.

BossMark 09-24-15 04:48 AM

Toff boy has finally issued a formal denial of the rumour going around, saying that while the initiation ceremony was going on he was having a quiet pint in his local pub.

He told reporters, "I was in the Hog's Head at the time."

Jimbuna 09-24-15 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by MGR1 (Post 2346638)
Cameron allowing the last vote has set a precedent, Jim. It can now be argued that, from now on, Scotland's position within the Union is it's decision alone. Although it isn't legally binding, the concept of American style "Sovereignty of the People" in Scotland is taken as a given. The Cons have said that they won't allow another vote, which is the right of the UK government as it alone holds power over matters concerning the constitution. However, by temporarily devolving the matter to Holyrood to allow the referendum to take place, Cameron and the Cons have set another precedent.

As for who pays for it, the rest of the UK could demand that Scotland pays for it itself, but that wouldn't stop one taking place. The funding would just come from other sources whilst giving the Nationalists (of all parties, not just the SNP) more ammunition.

Who knows.:hmm2:

Mike.

Aye, a political minefield indeed :yep:

STEED 09-26-15 07:17 AM

Good news for JC a former hard line Tory voter I know is joining Labour as he will not have any more to do with the Tories as he said Cameron carried a vile act how can he be trusted. :o

Jimbuna 09-26-15 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 2347175)
Good news for JC a former hard line Tory voter I know is joining Labour as he will not have any more to do with the Tories as he said Cameron carried a vile act how can he be trusted. :o

Great, must mean he is electable all of a sudden :)

STEED 09-26-15 11:56 AM

Jeremy Corbyn'S speech at the conference will be interesting to see in the terms of reactions from it.

Jimbuna 09-27-15 08:32 AM

First signs of angst already apparent...the unions (those who voted en mass to elect him) have suddenly come to the realisation that scrapping Trident will mean the loss of many thousands of their members jobs.

The puppeteer will need to yank a few more strings to keep the puppet from performing the wrong dance.

Jimbuna 09-28-15 12:04 PM

The correct strings were pulled...no debate on Trident at the conference and once again Jeremy is shown up as weak and unable to carry out his own 'principles' in public.

The puppeteer/unions have once again shown who now runs the Labour Party.

STEED 09-28-15 02:12 PM

Jeremy Corbyn'S speech around 2:15pm tomorrow, I'm going with a low key soft speech not rocking the boat to much within the party.

STEED 09-29-15 10:15 AM

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Sky Poll: 53% Can Imagine Corbyn As Next PM
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/sky-poll-4...4.html#Cl7knIA

Well it was too long for my taste, anything over 30 minutes starts to bore me apart from that as a swing and some times non voter did he do it for me? No not really but I based that on the fact this is his first conference speech as the new labour leader, that said I was not waving my fist shouting out shut up you communist bastard, too me it came across more for the party and labour voters.

A few close to the knuckle comments but in most part not rocking the boat too much. The big test will be the local elections next year and how well he faces off with Cameron at PMQ's. So for me it was more of I will be keeping a eye on you and lets see progress that is common sense.

Will the Blairites rise up and break away? :hmmm:


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