This is all new to me ... this information of outside help to produce missiles that can hit the USA actually coming from Russia or the Ukraine.

If true then this is how NK has become so cocky in that they couldn't do it on their own, but have been able to reach their goals much sooner.

We the people are the last to know this ... surely the CIA and the powers that investigate these things already knew about it during the Obama administration.

Are you with me so far?

Then why wouldn't the Russian Federation help Iran with the same development (for money of course)? If not Russia what would keep NK from helping Iran with missile development?

We are seeing the surface of the problems while the FBI, CIA, NSA and other investigation ministries have to see the whole scope of things to inform the president. It's like a match out there ready to strike,

We may only have a few more years of peace the way we know it. Fear is a bad thing ... being ready is a smart thing. :yep:

Perhaps we should listen to Sky more on how to stay off the credit/banking grid ... maybe, uh?

If it comes to the apocalypse I will only need one bullet.

My luck in the foot!!:doh:

I'm thinking NK's next act of defiance might be to detonate a bomb underground.

That would be extremely defiant indeed, even for Kim's derranged standards. :timeout:

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Fatboy would do well to do so; his aboveground 'Big bang theory' has not been exactly stellar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryongchon_disaster <April 22, 2004 or: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryanggang_explosion <9 September 2004. Whichever version: as there was no fallout it was probably not nuclear....:hmmm: Since KimmyBBY cannot be insane and keep his head in a country like N. Korea:/\\chop:rotfl2: his actions continue to impress me that he is the mineshaft canary for China to test Western RIMPAC resolve by any means especially as the illegal expansion into Tibet and the South China Sea are still #1 on China's longterm economic expansion agenda. Our distracted immediate focus on N. Korea thus serves China's long-term interests. Continued US presence on the Korean peninsula is distinctly antithetical to that geopolitical interest, much as Cuba, and egotistical Castro, was the patsy in the 60's missile crises test of the Monroe Doctrine. In that matter, we owe one to Mr Mikoyan:

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Khrushchev feared that Castro's hurt pride and widespread Cuban indignation over the concessions he had made to Kennedy might lead to a breakdown of the agreement between the Soviet Union and the US. To prevent that, Khrushchev decided to offer to give Cuba more than 100 tactical nuclear weapons that had been shipped to Cuba along with the long-range missiles but, crucially, had escaped the notice of U.S. intelligence. Khrushchev determined that because the Americans had not listed the missiles on their list of demands, keeping them in Cuba would be in the Soviet Union's interests. Anastas Mikoyan was tasked with the negotiations with Castro over the missile transfer deal that was designed to prevent a breakdown in the relations between Cuba and the Soviet Union. While in Havana, Mikoyan witnessed the mood swings and paranoia of Castro, who was convinced that Moscow had made the agreement with the US at the expense of Cuba's defense. Mikoyan, on his own initiative, decided that Castro and his military not be given control of weapons with an explosive force equal to 100 Hiroshima-sized bombs under any circumstances. He defused the seemingly intractable situation, which risked re-escalating the crisis, on November 22, 1962. During a tense, four-hour meeting, Mikoyan convinced Castro that despite Moscow's desire to help, it would be in breach of an unpublished Soviet law, which did not actually exist, to transfer the missiles permanently into Cuban hands and provide them with an independent nuclear deterrent. Castro was forced to give way and, much to the relief of Khrushchev and the rest of the Soviet government, the tactical nuclear weapons were crated and returned by sea to the Soviet Union during December 1962.]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...3/Herblock.gif This being a naval forum: time to bone-up on missile crises 101: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis China's bastard war-child of N. Korea is as big problem as Cuba was for the Soviet Union.

The latest offering and not totally unexpected really.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...st-live-update

I wonder how we would feel if North Korea conducted an exercise within striking distance of the US?

But hey, we are 'merica and we are special in a special way.

Willy waving.

I wonder how europe would feel if we pulled out of NATO, err well we found that out in another thread. They wouldnt like it because there still seems to be an ingrained fear of Russia. Therefore Im all for staying in NATO and supporting my allies there just as I am willing too for those in the Pacific.

As for those Norks, they continue unabated their nuclear weapons program and keep threatening to use those weapons if they dont get their way. I dont care if they cant have their way or are offended by our presence during planned joint exercises with other nations. My concern is with my allies South Korea and Japan, I wonder what they would feel like if we turned tail and ran because we were afraid of offending some little tyrannical turd stain like fatboy Un. I dont think they would feel very secure.

I say bring it on, follow through and dont back down. Take it as far as THEY want too. They keep making threats, either they pull those smoke wagons or sit down and shut-up. I also hope ignoring fatboy could encourage others in N.K. to overthrow the current regime and maybe bring something better.

Meanwhile Russia continues the RVSN (strategic missile forces) exercise with around 11 missile regiments participating.

The adversary forces, "terrorists", employed chemical weapons against the dispersed TELs.

Trump's is bigger!!:up:

Sorry but yes it does!!:o