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Oberon 04-19-13 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2043831)
German news reports that the dead older brother had a youtube account where he linked to fundamentalist hate videos calling for jihad in the name of Islam and against the Sufis' sub-branch that is playing a slightly bigger role in Chechnya than in most other Islamic countries. He last logged in to that account in February.

The younger brother should have had an account for a Russian social network that is something like Facebook, where he had linked some material of not so serious nature - but still linked to a Quran recitation and a political pamphlet calling Muslims to arms over the war in Syria.

Reported like this in German Frankfurter Rundschau.

Here I was, thinking just for once not "Islam" at first when I read something on terror - and dang, immediately get punished. Stupid me.

Be aware that there have been multiple reports of various 'accounts' of the people involved, twitter, facebook and the like that have already been proven to be false. While it is entirely possible that they are jihadists, it cannot be confirmed unless they capture the last suspect alive...which is not looking that likely to occur, or of course, when they finish picking through the belongings of the men.

Stealhead 04-19-13 12:15 PM


So true I think Americans in general have the most horrible understanding of the world and different nations. I'm not saying that you have to hug and tolerate everyone but you should know the difference between the Czech Republic and Chechnya.Not to mention the fact that some kid who spoke with the media that knew the younger brother is the source that they are from Chechnya highly reliable that.Then the media hears that the older brother was born in Russia nut he is 26 years old so that means the entire Soviet Union(1987). then the media with its "expertise" decides that they must be Chechen.

Even though no government official has yet stated exactly where they are from nor their exact ethnic background(that alone should imply nothing even if they turn out to be Chechen) nor the motive nor the connections if there are any.

I recall once in high school the teacher asked a student to point out the United Sates on a map he walked up and pointed at Italy.I feel out of my desk in laughter.

You'd be shocked at how many Americans think we have been fighting Iran for the last ten years.

Yeah, we are that stupid collectively.

flatsixes 04-19-13 12:32 PM

<i>Yeah, we are that stupid collectively.</i>
I say that, collectively, we're right about average. :cool:

Hottentot 04-19-13 12:33 PM

I'd like to believe that at least bunch of those posters are trolling and just created a running gag: someone mixed Chechnya with Czech and now the rest are making fun of it.

Please tell me it's so...

mookiemookie 04-19-13 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealhead (Post 2043847)
So true I think Americans in general have the most horrible understanding of the world and different nations. I'm not saying that you have to hug and tolerate everyone but you should know the difference between the Czech Republic and Chechnya.

You do have to give them some credit for saying "Czech Republic" and not "Czechoslovakia"

Stealhead 04-19-13 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by flatsixes (Post 2043851)
<i>Yeah, we are that stupid collectively.</i>
I say that, collectively, we're right about average. :cool:


If by that you mean that everyone else in the world is just as collectively stupid you' re most likely correct and that is why we have some many problems in this world I suppose.

Everyone sees how they are different but never how they are the same.Everyone resorts to violence to "solve" problems.

Skybird 04-19-13 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2043844)
Be aware that there have been multiple reports of various 'accounts' of the people involved, twitter, facebook and the like that have already been proven to be false. While it is entirely possible that they are jihadists, it cannot be confirmed unless they capture the last suspect alive...which is not looking that likely to occur, or of course, when they finish picking through the belongings of the men.

I do not think they are organized jihadists, nor do I think they have links to a terror network of Islamic origin. I assume they are two social losers failing to come to terms with the new society they arrived in after the fled from Chechnya, and the older one then trying to find consolation in Islam, and being lured off track by that. German TV just mentioned also that he may have been a Salafist sympathizer, at least some Salfist material was posted on his account, that is a very dangerous and unforgiving school of Islam that is giving us plenty of troubles here in Germany, too. The older brother then probably pulled the younger one down with him. I assume both are lonely wolves, and not part of a greater network - else it would have been likely that said network would have organized either their martyrdom or their get-away.

That is my new working hypothesis at least.

Stealhead 04-19-13 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2043856)
I do not think they are organized jihadists, nor do I think they have links to a terror network of Islamic origin. I assume they are two social losers failing to come to terms with the new society they arrived in after the fled from Chechnya, and the older one then trying to find consolation in Islam, and being lured off track by that. German TV just mentioned also that he may have been a Salafist sympathizer, at least some Salfist material was posted on his account, that is a very dangerous and unforgiving school of Islam that is giving us plenty of troubles here in Germany, too. The older brother then probably pulled the younger one down with him. I assume both are lonely wolves, and not part of a greater network - else it would have been likely that said network would have organized either their martyrdom or their get-away.



That is my new working hypothesis at least.

The information that you are reading is pure speculation the a German newspaper can not know anything about the two men when the US Government has released no more information about them than their names and a few other basic facts.They have not even said where they came from originally yet.

Stealhead 04-19-13 01:00 PM

The aunt of the two men is on TV right now they(the two men) are from Kyrgyzstan.

nikimcbee 04-19-13 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealhead (Post 2043860)
The aunt of the two men is on TV right now they(the two men) are from Kyrgyzstan.

Beat me to it. This whole thing is going to be an absolute circus, if they are all as animated as her.:88)

Méo 04-19-13 01:37 PM

I hate to judge before all the facts are in, but it seems obvious that it's a nutcase issue rather than an ideologic one. :nope:

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Originally Posted by Stealhead (Post 2043860)
The aunt of the two men is on TV right now

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"We all, at some point, deny the truth in favor of a lie that feels better."
Good thing that the uncle seems more reasonable.

nikimcbee 04-19-13 01:39 PM

I think that whole, extended family needs to lock the door, lawyer up and appoint an official spokesman.

Armistead 04-19-13 01:45 PM

I would love to hear it when the uncle and aunt talk on the phone..

nikimcbee 04-19-13 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Armistead (Post 2043866)
I would love to here it when the uncle and aunt talk on the phone..

I think we have a new reality TV show on TLC.:o

On a serious note, Assuming these 2 guys are responsible for the bombing.

Did they act alone (own initiative)
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did they have help?

If they had help, I think we need to call the expert on Chechen terrorism.
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http://www.globalpost.com/sites/defa...09_04_2012.jpg

Yes, I be there.
What? Yes I bring migs and tanks.

JU_88 04-19-13 02:16 PM

Heh, Putin, love him or loathe him, is quite a character....

"Anyone who doesn't regret the passing of the Soviet Union has no heart. Anyone who wants it restored has no brains."

I wonder if he actually said that? or if it was just one of those fabricated internet misquotes :hmmm:, this being my personal Favorite...

http://www.thezooom.com/wp-content/u...oln-Quotes.jpg


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