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STEED 05-04-11 09:10 AM

I Hear on the news Obama may not release the picture of the dead Bin Laden.

Penguin 05-04-11 09:32 AM

I've heard that Obama was killed by Obama:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n14reQsr9Q

:D

STEED 05-04-11 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Penguin (Post 1656474)
I've heard that Obama was killed by Obama:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n14reQsr9Q

:D

What a twit that women is...:dead:

Penguin 05-04-11 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 1656478)
What a twit that women is...:dead:

Naw her looks do compensate a little! :03:
I think she's canadian, regarding her pronounciation of "about".

tater 05-04-11 09:50 AM

Property worth far less than US claim:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...-hideout-worth

More like $250,000.

Still a dump, even at 250k. I see the point in exaggerating it, the idea is to drive home to his "troops" that he was living a cushy life with his youngest wife while they were, you know, martyring themselves for the cause.

The entire US narrative was wrong, IMO. We should have said he was quiet as a lamb, and the Seals put him down like the dog he was. We'd then have taken his carcass (I'd have used that word, too, in all official reports) to the ship, done forensics as for a couple days, then I'd report his body was dumped at sea—ideally cut into pieces for sharks. No "burial" at sea, garbage disposal.

That would've been my narrative, anyway. The message being we will hunt you until we find you, we will kill you like a rabid animal, and feed you to the fishes.

tater 05-04-11 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 1656478)
What a twit that women is...:dead:

To be fair to all the "speaking" media (vs print), the two names are so nearly identical, it's gotta be a really easy mistake to make. I don't think it shows bias, etc, I think it's just too easy to make a mistake.

In terms of print media, I imagine some spell checkers are set to correct anything close to "Obama" to avoid accidentally putting Osama there by mistake.

AVGWarhawk 05-04-11 10:08 AM

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it's gotta be a really easy mistake to make.
In the lime light of such a critical event one would hope those reporting would do their very best not to screw it up. :hmmm:

kranz 05-04-11 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by tater (Post 1656489)
To be fair to all the "speaking" media (vs print), the two names are so nearly identical, it's gotta be a really easy mistake to make. I don't think it shows bias, etc, I think it's just too easy to make a mistake.

repeating it 4 (four) times means being a brainless creature, no matter how similar these two words are.

Sammi79 05-04-11 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by tater (Post 1656457)
I don't think he deserved respectful treatment, and in fact it sends the wrong message.

His followers think of him as a model of piety, but the narrative since 9-11 has been that AQ "hijacked" a religion of peace. As such, he doesn't deserve treatment within said religion.

Giving him "proper" treatment sent the message that we also elevate him to the status of a pious man who deserved it. He should have been unceremoniously dumped with the trash, IMHO. And in case of conspiracy we should have held him on ice for a while first for forensics.

No, you miss the point entirely, the respect shown is because you, not him, are respectful (and therefore worthy of respect yourself). Otherwise you are no better than him. What he deserves is neither here nor there, who gets what they deserve in this life anyway? and more importantly who are you to judge? Proper treatment is given because, unlike him, you act properly. This is exactly the right message to send.

tater 05-04-11 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Sammi79 (Post 1656515)
No, you miss the point entirely, the respect shown is because you, not him, are respectful (and therefore worthy of respect yourself). Otherwise you are no better than him. What he deserves is neither here nor there, who gets what they deserve in this life anyway? and more importantly who are you to judge? Proper treatment is given because, unlike him, you act properly. This is exactly the right message to send.

Dumping him with the trash IS proper treatment. He was trash, treat him like trash. Were he a peaceful man, then treating him properly would make sense. Were he even an honorable foe, ditto.

Why, pray tell, does religion deserve any particular respect? Your argument is predicated on this being so. This particular POS has quoted his holy book (accurately, I might add) so often, we well know his theological views. Giving his views respect is an implicit statement that his views deserve respect.

They don't.

tater 05-04-11 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by kranz (Post 1656505)
repeating it 4 (four) times means being a brainless creature, no matter how similar these two words are.

Unless her teleprompter was spitting out Obama each time. I'll ask my brother in law, he used to be a copy editor at a newspaper here. I wonder if they have the auto-spell set to use "Obama" to avoid the rest of the year when the news is filled with "Obama" and they don't want to make the mistake of calling him "Osama."

It would be interesting to look at how often "Obama" appears in the news on average (he's President, after all, so quite a bit), and how often the "OSama" typo has occurred vs the Obama in place of Osama when OBL is in the news.

Perhaps the news media would have been better served to use the US government spelling, "Usama." (which is entirely acceptable, transliteration from arabic varies quite a bit).

Or she's an idiot. Still, I'd be willing to bet that the typo is far more likely when the news is about bin laden than when the news is about Obama.

MH 05-04-11 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by tater (Post 1656522)
Dumping him with the trash IS proper treatment. He was trash, treat him like trash. Were he a peaceful man, then treating him properly would make sense. Were he even an honorable foe, ditto.

Why, pray tell, does religion deserve any particular respect? Your argument is predicated on this being so. This particular POS has quoted his holy book (accurately, I might add) so often, we well know his theological views. Giving his views respect is an implicit statement that his views deserve respect.

They don't.

It was just about not pissing off even more the ones that are already pissed.
Maybe also giving chance to express positive view from some governments and groups in ME that actually never came.
Politcs.

MaddogK 05-04-11 10:52 AM

The WH's bumbling of the press releases will piss off more peeps than their silence would've.

http://www.debka.com/article/20902/

Obama's need for a feather in his cap is at the heart of this. He REALLY wants to get re-elected but his admin's big mouth will likely get more people killed.

tater 05-04-11 10:58 AM

Trying to please muslims is frankly idiotic. We should simply stop.

What do you have to do NOT to raise muslim ire, exactly? Denmark gives money to Palestinians, they are pretty innocuous, yet in order to please muslims what would they have to do? Violate their own laws and censor cartoons. Basically, to please muslims you need to eliminate everything about your culture that is different from theirs.

Screw that. They can do what they want at home, but we should not bend over backwards to keep them from getting butt hurt about nothing. If a US sailor would have been slid off (not gently lowered), that's what he should have gotten. No difference, no special treatment. I think given that they'd KNOW people would claim there was no kill, they should have kept the body on ice, and even arranged viewings by various people as proof. Screw this 24 hour muslim burial crap. If we killed a murderer here in the states and there was any legal stuff we thought might continue, he'd stay in the morgue for a while.

OBL got special treatment and should not have.

Sammi79 05-04-11 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by tater (Post 1656522)
Dumping him with the trash IS proper treatment. He was trash, treat him like trash. Were he a peaceful man, then treating him properly would make sense. Were he even an honorable foe, ditto.

Why, pray tell, does religion deserve any particular respect? Your argument is predicated on this being so. This particular POS has quoted his holy book (accurately, I might add) so often, we well know his theological views. Giving his views respect is an implicit statement that his views deserve respect.

They don't.

No, you miss the point entirely, the respect shown is because you, not him, are respectful (and therefore worthy of respect yourself). Otherwise you are no better than him. What he deserves is neither here nor there, who gets what they deserve in this life anyway? and more importantly who are you to judge? Proper treatment is given because, unlike him, you act properly. This is exactly the right message to send.

please read again in yellow ^

:haha: I personally do not subscribe to any religion and fail to see how my argument relates to it in any way. IMHO religion should be globally outlawed period but that's another argument altogether. I'm glad Obama&co understand my point, were they to act as you seem to think they should have done, all that would done is reinforce the feeling that we westerners are the animals these nutjobs say we are. No, I am actually really impressed at the actions and words of the soldiers and their leaders who performed this operation. And Tater, you should be proud of this! It clearly shows your nations better qualities.


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