Originally Posted by Neal Stevens (Post 2362794)

I know this is a dumb question, but to install Win 7, and remove Win 10, I have to....reformat the c drive first? If not, will installing Win 7 affect my hard drive contents and programs?:dead:

Originally Posted by Aktungbby (Post 2362844)

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins (Post 2362891)

Now let's not make this into some anti-capitalism crusade. Granted, capitalism is the worst system in the world to benefit all the people living under it, if you first eliminate EVERY OTHER ECONOMIC SYSTEM ON EARTH.

Capitalism is the free exchange of money for goods and services without coercion, subterfuge, fraud, or compulsion on either side. Legitimate profit is the product of service to humanity to the standards of those being served. As soon as you introduce compulsion (Obamacare) or coercion (Mafia protection) or fraud (homeopathic medicine) you no longer have capitalism, you have organized crime. In true capitalism both the production and consumption ends of the spectrum are purely voluntary with purchases made out of free will and products made to attract people to gladly spend their money.

Evidence of a true capitalistic exchange if if someone buys an Apple iPhone for double what it's really worth, then braggs about it to all their friends, who buy iPhones for themselves. Think what you want about iPhones (I don't buy Apple products) but this is what capitalism does. Even China is a major market for iPhones and they're not exacly capitalists, are they?

Capitalism has done more good for humanity than all other economic systems combined and will continue to do so in spite of the warpage bad people put on it.

Originally Posted by Aktungbby (Post 2362902)

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/imag...ine=1377884772 <no wonder u love that car! ....no damn computer!:woot:i just had to replace a cracked motherboard on my '05 Corolla fuel computer...couldn't reregister it until obeying the recall notice...instantly cleared on the SMOG station's computer!:timeout: I don't mind being owned I just wanna know who owns me!:wah: The FastPasses for the bridges are monitor'd now on all CA highway sensor to study traffic patterns and similar 'study camera's record your license plate #such info to be used...privately!!!:nope: Jack Aubrey: " What a fascinating modern age we live in" rings a little ironically, as my wife and I enjoy the electronic Aubrey novels, blue-toothed to the car's speakers from her tablet on long trips.:arrgh!:

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 2362898)

....... Three credit bureaus have my information. The DMV has my information. Hell, my first call to Farmers for car insurance the agent told me in under a minute what cars I currently own. I only gave him my license number. I could find on the internet my past home addresses for the last 3 decades long before Windows 10 arrived. I'm not really sure the Rise of the Guardians is being presented here. Your info is out there already.

Originally Posted by aanker (Post 2362850)

On my next computer, my plan is to find/build a decent (old school) gaming rig, put in a blank hard drive after getting and burning the necessary drivers the future computer needs, and install Win 7 on it.

That $70.00 bucks I spent a few months ago seems worthwhile after reading these and other posts. The disk is ready and waiting.

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins (Post 2362948)

The problem is that the primary function of an operating system should be to quietly organize your options and help you run the software on your computer. As recently as Windows 7,Windows did that.

Now the primary function of Windows is to try to sell you stuff. More than half the tiles on what used to be your start menu are advertising.

The secondary function of Windows 10 is data collection. It is a keylogger. It records audio from your microphone even when you are not using a program which uses the microphone. They do the same thing with your webcam. Then twice a day all that collected information is compacted, encrypted and sent to Microsoft. Equating that with information provided to insurance companies is really ludicrous. We're talking about invasion of privacy way beyond anything reasonable. Then add in the p2p style update system where your bandwidth is used to upload updates to complete strangers at your expense, the automatic login of people on various friends lists to your personal wireless network--all this adds up to an OS which no longer serves its customers. It preys upon them.

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves (Post 2362938)

I don't have a problem with Win 10 or the spying crap.
If you don't want anyone to know what your doing stay off the 'Net!
I type in all kinds of crap in a search just to set up an insanity defense myself.
:haha:

See. I know people are watching. I'm just not paranoid about it.
I got nothing to hide aside from the few hookers I choked to death.
They'll never find them as deep as I buried them in Pearland.
:03:

Originally Posted by aanker (Post 2362915)

It doesn't need to be. You can get your exposed information removed from 95% of all of your public listings if you don't mind doing a little cleaning, or hire an outfit like https://www.safeshepherd.com/ to remove your exposed personal information.
The Government records are difficult to scrub, but we're mostly talking about collection of personal data for targeted advertising and other non Gov't information uses.
I like my privacy. I like old Buick's too : )
Congratulations BTW, you deserve that award from exterior appearances in the above photo.

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins (Post 2362948)

The problem is that the primary function of an operating system should be to quietly organize your options and help you run the software on your computer. As recently as Windows 7,Windows did that.

Now the primary function of Windows is to try to sell you stuff. More than half the tiles on what used to be your start menu are advertising.

The secondary function of Windows 10 is data collection. It is a keylogger. It records audio from your microphone even when you are not using a program which uses the microphone. They do the same thing with your webcam. Then twice a day all that collected information is compacted, encrypted and sent to Microsoft. Equating that with information provided to insurance companies is really ludicrous. We're talking about invasion of privacy way beyond anything reasonable. Then add in the p2p style update system where your bandwidth is used to upload updates to complete strangers at your expense, the automatic login of people on various friends lists to your personal wireless network--all this adds up to an OS which no longer serves its customers. It preys upon them.

Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2363006)

Once you find insurrances rejecting you as a customer, and this being due to you having talked about your life in a private talk, or you cannot find a job in a profession for similiar reasons - you will stop laughing. Like there is a policy of making people vulnerable and exposed tio state plundering by enforcing digital money and banning cash money, there is a comparable reason why so many companies and especially insurrances propagate the idea of a networking world where everybody is constantly being online and is overwatched and has no privacy anymore.

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This is not 1984. It is far worse already, because it is subtle, omnipresent, and the evil comes with a smiling face. When you point finger at it, it will be you that people are wondering and laughing about, not the evil that you point at. Against wickedness that yells and threatens, you can protest, and it is easy to be recognised. But when it comes with charms, and flatters people, when it must not hide in shadows but is invited into the spotlights and gets applauded, then you can not defend yourself against it, cannot mobilise peopel against it, cannot organise resistence to it. And you slowly get strangled by it from behind while it friendly smiles in your face.

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves (Post 2362938)

I don't have a problem with Win 10 or the spying crap.
If you don't want anyone to know what your doing stay off the 'Net!
I type in all kinds of crap in a search just to set up an insanity defense myself.
:haha:

See. I know people are watching. I'm just not paranoid about it.
I got nothing to hide aside from the few hookers I choked to death.
They'll never find them as deep as I buried them in Pearland.
:03:

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 2363035)

Skybird,

Per the Healthcare Act no one can be turned away from insurance coverage for any reason.

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 2363035)

Background check are done for employment purposes already. Some employers use FB as a tool. So, don't post anything your mom should not see because your employer would not want to see it either. My job required an extensive background check.

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 2363035)

I do not know of anyone forcing digital money over actual cash money. In Gog we Trust. All others pay cash.

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 2363035)

Here's an idea....get off-line and go out to enjoy the fresh air. Can not get into to much trouble with this activity.

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins (Post 2363068)

Unfortunately, that is simply not true. If your AGI is below $24,000 per year you are not eligible for Obamacare. Funny, my wife's cousin makes less than $24k a year and she has healthcare for free. So what your telling me is what exactly? In addition, with the introduction of Obamacare (and you can check this at your local hospital) the signs in emergency rooms that said "Health care cannot be denied for financial reasons" have come down. Hospitals can and do refuse to care for uninsured and uninsurable people. Where we had universal healthcare at a reasonable price before Obamacare, we now have people like me paying more for health insurance than I ever paid for any of my various cars or houses. We have others who simply do not qualify because of their low income and are now shut out. Plus we have millions who are just passing on a crippling cost and daring the government to fine them, figuring that the fine will cost them much less than the premiums. Cynically, they know that if the government dares to fine them there will be a political excrementstorm and the politicians will be out of office who dared to make such a ridiculous law. Forcing millions to buy a product they don't need and can't afford is comical. As Ronald Reagan was fond of saying, "In order for government to give something to you, it must first take it from somebody else." So what does this entire paragraph have to do with Windows 10?

United Health Care, which last year and the year before, lowballed their prices on the exchanges below their costs to administrate in order to build market share, then drastically increased them to profitable levels this year, have found that strategy just generated a lot of angry people who exit to other plans. They have announced that they will be withdrawing from Obamacare in 2017. If they do so look for other major insurers to jump ship and for Obamacare to be in big trouble. Again, what does this have to do with Windows 10?

Of course, Obama will be gone, and like a corporate fatcat with a golden parachute, it will no longer be his problem. It will be OUR problem, we who did not want the program to begin with, a program passed through fraud and administrative hocus-pocus because the votes were not there.

What will we do? If universal health care is what we think government (that's us) should provide, we surely don't have it now and the cost is way too high. The young people who were supposed to pony up the money to pay for us old coots haven't ponied up and they won't. Insurance companies are looking queasy and the #1 company is already announcing they're taking to the lifeboats.



When you say your job required an extensive background check, that means a criminal background check and possibly a credit check. It did not require you to put a keylogger on your computer. It didn't involve their ability to listen to your microphone(what microphone? I have none) and watch your webcam(I have no webcam) any time they chose, while you are singing in the bathroom(I do not sing in the bathroom), what you say if you stub your toe on the end table, a family arguement. They aren't collecting every keystroke, including passwords, and sending the info dump to their company twice a day forever. There is no equivalency between background checks and other monitoring like your house's CLUE report, your credit report or arrest record. A year ago if someone would have told you you had a keylogger on your computer you would download software to eliminate it. (you assume to much) Now you're saying it's no problem at all. What changed? I say right is still right. Wrong is still wrong. Reasonable is still reasonable and unreasonable is still unreasonable. What Microsoft does is wrong and unreasonable, conduct preying on the customers they are supposed to serve. (buy Apple)


In fact most governmental transactions, like corporate fees and income tax refunds, are required to be paid for by digital money electronically transferred. (now your are talking specifics. Last post it was all encompassing requiring electronic transactions) Oftentimes the only payment method accepted is using their website to make payment with a credit or debit card. (then go to the mall) Some private companies, like car and truck rental companies, also do not permit cash to be used. "Legal for all debts, public and private" now means nothing at all in either public or private spheres. (at the end of the day, when my card was compromised twice, the bank returned all monies taken, issued a new card number. Life went on. And truth be told, the card compromised was last used at a restaurant where the card leaves my sight to be charged. The server took the number. It had nothing to do with a web purchase.)

Legally the practice is illegal but as usual with present and past administrations, they pick and choose which laws they wish to enforce, making arbitrarily chosen actions either quasi-illegal or quasi-legal. (I can assure you the folks in DC are not getting keylogged by MS, watching webcams and pulling their wallet out of their pockets) We are no longer a nation of laws. We are the nation of arbitrary rule by capricious and corruptable individuals. It was no error when President Obama, upon his election, began his goals with "Under my rein....." The imperial presidency under all recent presidents is just as much a danger to our culture as representation without taxation for more than 50% of citizens. We are running our country like it would be reasonable to allow Ford owners and managers to vote in GM corporate meetings. No stake in the system should mean no vote. (this Windows 10 thread has turned into railing against government)

Yes, if we all just accept gross invasion of privacy with a smile and just go out and play, no harm will ever result. I'm sure all the articles I've posted were entirely the products of warped imaginations from people who don't go outside and breathe. (If you are sure why did you post them? Quite honestly, the cloak and dagger here is a bit out of control)

Microsoft's behavior is going to get even worse before anything gets better. It will only get better after we, their customers, refuse to buy products whose purpose is marketing and invasion of privacy. When we refuse their EULAs, which tell us exactly how to bend over and when to smile in the graphic and unashamed language of a character from The Godfather.