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Onkel Neal 11-05-20 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 2704997)
First off Trump hasn't lost yet. Maybe he will and maybe he won't but there has been enough chicanery to warrant recounts that might expose a few things that might change the picture, like how magical boxes of pure 100% Democrat votes can suddenly appear overnight. Nobody else gets a single vote, not Trump or the two other independent candidates, but the Biden suddenly zooms up 100k votes to take the lead? Sounds fishy no? Then there is the sudden coordinated vote count stoppage in several Dem run battleground states for several hours. Was this to give them enough time to figure out who didn't vote in person and assign one to them? Lots of questions there.

Second that was a weird example. Connecticut was never going to vote for Trump, neither was Massachusetts or New York. All deep blue states. You might as well have used California!

Last, whether Trump wins or looses I still have to go to work in the morning. It looks like the GoP will retain the senate and while I don't trust those snakes any farther than I would like to throw them, they will represent a bulwark against the expected excesses of the Democrats in the House and the Harris administration.

Oh, ha ha, my state geography ignorance just exposed itself. :haha: I was picking on you, I thought Masachusetts was a city in Conneticutt... I forgot Massachusets is a whole state. I blame them too. They need to lump all those mini-states into one state with an easy name to remember (and spell) like New England or something.

And yeah, is fishy stuff happeneing? Maybe, maybe not, depends on which side your on. If you recall in July,

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If Biden narrowly wins Michigan in Nov and that's the state that clinches the 270 he needs, if Trump starts the narrative that the results are not valid...
It's like this has been scripted out months in advance... :hmmm:

nikimcbee 11-05-20 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Onkel Neal (Post 2705014)
Oh, ha ha, my state geography ignorance just exposed itself. :haha: I was picking on you, I thought Masachusetts was a city in Conneticutt... I forgot Massachusets is a whole state. I blame them too. They need to lump all those mini-states into one state with an easy name to remember (and spell) like New England or something.

And yeah, is fishy stuff happeneing? Maybe, maybe not, depends on which side your on. If you recall in July,



It's like this has been scripted out months in advance... :hmmm:




So, in this bigger state, would MA be part of NY or the other way around? Greater NewYork?

nikimcbee 11-05-20 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 2704997)
First off Trump hasn't lost yet. Maybe he will and maybe he won't but there has been enough chicanery to warrant recounts that might expose a few things that might change the picture, like how magical boxes of pure 100% Democrat votes can suddenly appear overnight. Nobody else gets a single vote, not Trump or the two other independent candidates, but the Biden suddenly zooms up 100k votes to take the lead? Sounds fishy no? Then there is the sudden coordinated vote count stoppage in several Dem run battleground states for several hours. Was this to give them enough time to figure out who didn't vote in person and assign one to them? Lots of questions there.

Second that was a weird example. Connecticut was never going to vote for Trump, neither was Massachusetts or New York. All deep blue states. You might as well have used California!

Last, whether Trump wins or looses I still have to go to work in the morning. It looks like the GoP will retain the senate and while I don't trust those snakes any farther than I would like to throw them, they will represent a bulwark against the expected excesses of the Democrats in the House and the Harris administration.


I thought ME and NH were more on the right side of the fence? I guess I was mistaken:doh:

skidman 11-05-20 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Onkel Neal (Post 2704901)
And now what mail-in ballots, month long "absentee"/early voting, and every other possible lowering the bar for voting has proven successful, the Democrats will make sure these methods stick, and will be used from now on.

Yeah, democracy wins.

Absolutely. These measures have resulted in the highest voter turnout since (at least) 1980 (with a pandemic virus en route!). And even if you don't like the outcome, "lowering the bar" is a disrespectful phrase in this context.

Onkel Neal 11-05-20 12:25 AM

With all the Californians flooding into Texas, we'll be a blue state too, by the next election.

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Joe Biden wins Michigan, Wisconsin, nearing 270 electoral votes
https://www.kare11.com/article/news/...f-f696e23ecd17

Short of a Holy Miracle, Trump is on the way out.

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Originally Posted by skidman (Post 2705017)
Absolutely. These measures have resulted in the highest voter turnout since (at least) 1980 (with a pandemic virus en route!). And even if you don't like the outcome, "lowering the bar" is a disrespectful phrase in this context.

Well, lowering the bar certainly is what it is. It's wonderful that the guy across the block who hasn't held a job in 20 years, drinks all day, has 8 kids by 6 baby mommas and lives off of a government check gets the same voting power as the guy who works, pays taxes, and is responsible for his family. Sure, the slobs always had the right to vote, lucky for us they seldom bothered. Now with one party ensuring effortless voting, they do.

nikimcbee 11-05-20 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Onkel Neal (Post 2705018)
With all the Californians flooding into Texas, we'll be a blue state too, by the next election.


https://www.kare11.com/article/news/...f-f696e23ecd17

Short of a Holy Miracle, Trump is on the way out.


Enjoy your new pandemic, the California virus. Maybe subsim could make protective masks?:D

Onkel Neal 11-05-20 12:35 AM

Nah, my strategy is to be the Arpad Kovacs of Texas liberals.:shucks:

skidman 11-05-20 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Onkel Neal (Post 2705014)
And yeah, is fishy stuff happeneing? Maybe, maybe not, depends on which side your on.

No it doesn't. But this is another good example of what is happening to common sense and sportsmanship if you put a notorious liar in the Oval Office, that peu á peu poisons the nation's soul.

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It's like this has been scripted out months in advance... :hmmm:
And the next conspiracy theory in the making. :har:

nikimcbee 11-05-20 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Onkel Neal (Post 2705020)
Nah, my strategy is to be the Arpad Kovacs of Texas liberals.:shucks:


Could you build a wall around Austin?


You could do something like this:
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-...838-story.html

skidman 11-05-20 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Onkel Neal (Post 2705018)
Well, lowering the bar certainly is what it is. It's wonderful that the guy across the block who hasn't held a job in 20 years, drinks all day, has 8 kids by 6 baby mommas and lives off of a government check gets the same voting power as the guy who works, pays taxes, and is responsible for his family. Sure, the slobs always had the right to vote, lucky for us they seldom bothered. Now with one party ensuring effortless voting, they do.

Ah, I know this guy. Yep, he voted for the first time and he voted for Trump. :hmmm:

Go on, paint your country black and white. It surely helps to come to terms with the challenges ahead.:o

Sean C 11-05-20 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2704883)
"Trump is not capable of that."

"Trump is a narcissist. He will tweet to the bitter end. However, he will go on with his business' and play golf in FL. He is a work-a-holic.

Hopefully he does no hang onto it like bitter Hillary Clinton."

I was thinking along those lines (Multi quote doesn't work either...banging head on keyboard).


I also agree with the quoted statements. Just yesterday I was remarking to a co-worker that Trump's brain probably is incapable of acknowledging defeat or failure. Oddly, that's probably a big part of why he is our President in the first place.


I mean, no one can deny the man has had more than a few failures. And there is no shortage of people pointing them out. But he just keeps on ... being Trump. Whatever you make of that.


Regardless: No matter who is elected, this country will be fine. We have survived a violent birth, civil war, assassinations, world wars, Woody Allen, depressions, pandemics, and the worst president in history - who everybody knows is ....

 
Woodrow Wilson.

Skybird 11-05-20 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Onkel Neal (Post 2704996)
President Biden.

Sooner or later president Harris. ;)
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Skybird, while we may have gotten rid of Trump, we got rid of the country as well.
I think that mishap hit your people already some longer time ago. Assuming in your favour you do nto want to imply that Trump is your country or represents the best of spirits of your country. ;)

Skybird 11-05-20 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Onkel Neal (Post 2705014)
It's like this has been scripted out months in advance... :hmmm:

In fact, in a way it has. Trump has prepared his moves and increased his options to play foul since months in advance indeed. It has alwaysy been part of his screenplay. If you end the match with some goals down, beat up the referees, chase the other coach away, open the flood gates to let the audience storm the infield, and bully the players of the other team. And very important: have your own people installed in the sports court in advance. Sports à la Trump.

Skybird 11-05-20 05:31 AM

This railing against mail voting is both hypocritical, and inconsistent. If you declare you ahve free open election , than everyone has tio have the right to vote, and his vote counted. If you do not like every social group of your nations community being able to vote (and mind you, I have often said I am against general right to vote for various reasons, including that I would exclude everybody who is a net receiver, not a net giver: I know that in some US states prison inmates and previous offenders are banned form voting as well), well if you declare general right to vote, than you have to accept that peopole do it in any way that is legal, and the ornciple must be that if it is within the time frame (set by the rules reuglating mail voting), then it is poerfectly okay to do so. Beside gerrymandering toi rig eleciton results, there is the problem that polling stations get limited in avisalabiuliuty and scatteredf across such huge ranges, that many people cannot reach them, cnanot invest the time to get there, or the money to get there, and this is being abused indeed to exlöcsude unwanted voter groups from voting. Where this betrayel is done and planned, mail voting of course ruins the criminal intention, and so gets complained about.



Either you have free general elections with voting rights for everbody, or you have not. If you do nto want it that way, then say so, loike I do. But do not pretend to have free elections while in fact you try to hinder them from beign that. The US sometimes praises itself to be the cradle of democracy, which historically is wrong, or a beasconm of democracy but does often not live up to that claim. Start being honest about it.



Saying this as somebody who also massively criticses the EU's underhanded ways, and the voting procedures in Germany.

Skybird 11-05-20 05:40 AM

Armed Trump mobs at counting centres in Arizona? What goes on in brains like these? Fighting off the attacking Martians or what? Defending their beer cups against thirsty Feds? Prothesis for missing brain?


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