Fair enough, but the guy needs to go and that's final.

As for the US driving Muslims radical? You got to be kidding me, those nuts fell from the tree long before the US was even born.

I heard or read or watched on TV that the radicalism began taking shape in the 50's when a really depressed man wrote a depressing book about his dim, depressing view of western culture. Other really depressed men read the book and agreed that they also didn't like what western culture represented, and especially what it could do to their own culture were it to take hold in their lands.

So it sounds to me like a bunch of really depressed people felt that it would be a great idea to get together and spread the depressing word of that one really depressed man to other hopeless, depressed men. And together they would vent their angst against the West, at first through harsh language, and now with suicide bombers.

Pretty depressing, huh? :woot:

http://www.juancole.com/2011/03/top-...-fly-zone.html

interesting part:
I guess that is why the NATO forces hit that Silkworm site. Misrata was within range or close to it.

Oh and it looks like we got the first A/A kill of the war. A French Navy jet shot down a Libyan Galeb:
http://defensetech.org/2011/03/24/fr...avy-1-libya-0/

Alas, no, the Galeb was on the ground and the French jet smacked it with an A/G missile.

Quite what a trainer aircraft was doing landing at Misrata...will probably never be known.

Maybe acting as a FAC for arty or providing CAS (the Galeb can carry some stores). :hmmm:

The Galeb can double as a light strike aircraft. They were used by Serbia in that role in the late 90s.

Hmmm never heard of that krash but your right. That's awfully depressing, here I thought you were supposed to spread the joy.

They are driving YOU into radicalism? ;)

On a serious note: I think they are arguing from a priviledged position, as they enjoy the right to vote freely. You cannot deny freedoms which you enjoy by yourself towards others who don't have them. We'll have to see how this whole thing turns out. I hope they don't **** it up and vote for the wrong arseholes, like the people in Gaza.

The biggest danger I see at the moment is the economic situation in the ME: Masses of young, unemployed people and not really a light on the horizon.
This was one of the factors which fueled radicalization in the 30s in Germany...

Thanks for giving us some insight into some arab opinions.
I have a collegue who just came from the kurdish part of Iraq. They had their protests there too, against the Kurdish provincial government. The protests were mostly about the economic situation. The picture on the street is mixed, many people who look very "western", but also people who dress like fundamentalists...

Would really love to get some impressions from Castout, how the whole Libya thing is seen "on the street" in Indonesia.