'Anti-GWX ****' would stop when there isn't any reason to be anti-GWX. The behaviors of some of the GWX team cannot continue to remain the same, while you insist those around you change. Your team has to change as well. It's a two way street.

The words in this post are exactly the reasons for anti-GWX sentiment...







And Lehmann...contrary to what you repeatedly claim, just because someone doesn't like you, doesn't mean they don't speak the truth. You dont have much love for me, yet you want others to believe your words to be sincere. You can't have it both ways.

Why the sarcasm?
Not an unreasonable request to know from whom a post came. In fact, given that following an exhange me and AVG had http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...&postcount=310

and things were finally settling down, the anonymous RFB comes along and next thing its back to square 1.

Ok, here goes. Start as we mean to go on. Consider me as of now officially reporting RFB's post.

Okay, but lets not put too much syrup on it, okay?

Could someone please point out where in the FAQ and Rules that is states that multiple accounts are not allowed? I'm not saying it isn't there... I just can't find it.

And look for a pm shortly.

JCC

@KL oh dont worry.... but I would take too sweet over too sour anyday.

besides this place could use a dose of Julie andrews.
here

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e3...Picfix/AAA.jpg

You know, none of us are stupid. We know its a two way street. In fact, Im questioning your ability to understand the goings on here.

my post here http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...&postcount=310
is the summaration of my thoughts on the matter. You think we don't know that things have to change, everybody knows that.

Some people will ALWAYS hate GWX, and you MONOLITH are probably one of them given run ins in the past. Maybe if you had to handle the abuse we have handled you would understand.

Do you want to help? Or keep hunting us down? We are not perfect but neither are the people who have poked us with sticks in the past.

EDITED: To cool down a heated post tone.

EDITED 2: The past is not important, what is important is the future. The only way to clear the pond is to stop kicking up the mud and let it all fall to the bottom.

With Lehmann telling Neals staffs that GWX has lost respect for them and they don't do their jobs, and their biased, They don't have to be listened too, etc; I'd begin to leak out some resentful sarcasm too.

I see a new reality show in the making.

Yes, there's certainly no abuse in your post.

I simply pointed out that your list required all of us to stop any 'anti-GWX', yet there's no spot on your list for GWX to not abuse others.

How about you at least meet people in the middle, instead of laying the demands out for everyone else...mimicking Lehmanns usual style.

Damn, I'm getting fat just looking at that:rotfl:

I edited my post to cool off my tone. Please look up again.

Also you think I don't realise the GWX part of the bargain... look above in the big text.

I offer my support for Takeda Shingen's 5 point plan.

I suggest it's adopted.

Now, On a personal note, I'd like to make an observation/complaint of my own

In this thread, and elsewhere on this forum, several people have repeatedly referred to "the GWX team" or expressions of this sort in an accusing or derogatory tone, including, I'm sorry to say, AVGWarhawk, a moderator.

By these statements they have also included me, and I don't like it.
I have never, to my knowledge, made a single offensive or inflammatory post on this forum, concerning GWX or anything else.
Conversely, I have also never been personally offended or been accused by any post, concerning GWX or anything else.

until now.

I understand that several members of this forum are at odds with one another for any number of reasons, most of which I don't want to know. They choose to wrangle here. I don't really mind that, I don't have to read those threads, or contribute to them.
I can also see the hostility between groups or teams or however you want to describe them and yes, there is a conflict of "modding philosophies" or "modding culture" this is plain as day.
Quite frankly I don't understand the root cause, and therefore I don't get involved in those conflicts.

What I will not stand for is catching the flak from this conflict simply because I contributed in my own small way to GWX, and am proud to show I did so by using the GWX Crew signature.
These generalisations have to stop, if anyone has a beef with individual(s) I suggest they refer to those individuals. since this is one of the points Takeda Shingen made,
I support his suggested plan.

One other thing, from a players point of view:

None of this wrangling is getting any of you modders anything. If someone visits this forum for the first time looking for a mod for his game, don't you think that player would be discouraged from even looking at any mod if the first thread he runs in to is full of vitriolic flaming. Imagine a first time visitor reading this thread....:o

my 2 cents,

KeptinCranky

You're absolutely correct.

The problem is, the past you want to forgotten, is all the accusations against GWX for wrong doing.

The only thing you bring forward is "everyone must stop picking on poor innocent us, and all this will get better".


I swear, if someone from GWX who wasn't a sneaky politician with a forked tongue came forward and said "You're right, we really screwed up a few times. The competitive environment got the best of us, but we really want to change and move forward together"; i would become a huge GWX fan.

But instead, we have blame placed on everyone else, Neal's staff is being utterly disrespected - by GWX-, and everyone else is supposed to change while subsim moves forward with more of the same from GWX.

That's the future you want. Sorry, but that's what we already have now.

Give me a break.

Yet more hypocracy from you.

You and your buddy Racerboy have even totally re-written PM's from me in days not so long ago... and you've got the nerve to speak as if you've got everyone's best interests at heart... and comment in other places about how friendly this forum is.

Nonsense, utter nonsense.

When I first came to the Subsim forums, within days Beery had raked me over the coals... sneering down his nose at the newb who had the TEMERITY to question his method. (Now there was a TRUE conflict of interests... no active mod package builder should ever be a moderator.)

While I am thinking about it, I think it is absolutely laughable how a few claim that the SH4 forum is so very different and "more friendly" than the SH3 forums... after the absolute LAMBASTING that SH4 players and prospective modders gave the SH4 devs following release.

Without the platform that they bring... all matters concerning modding for ANY theater in the Silent Hunter Series... are absolutely pointless.

You people should be ashamed how you treat others.

My apologies.

However, the people that are representing GWX in this argument, are citing unity among you. They use the general terms, "we", "us", "GWX".

So other follow suit in response.

Perhaps getting the people GWX has chosen to represent them, to seperate you guys out, would help that issue.