On the radio last night it was reported the former president of the Ed Milliband fan club said the country did not deserve to have Ed for PM as he was such a nice guy.

That map clearly shows TFPTP system is now out of date. :ping:

Problem is Labour is in real big trouble and any chance winning in 2020 going to take more than a miracle. Reading news comments from those who support Labour are waving the big stick at all the leadership candidates.

The Tories propaganda against Labour's last government will still bang on in 2020 and many people will buy it.

UNITE and its public shenanigans will get more people voting Tory than those voting Labour.

Very true. Less political posturing and bit more concentration on actually supporting their members in the workplace would be good. They also have too much bias towards protecting public sector conditions, where their core support is. Would be nice if they were to look after those of us who are members but work in the private sector?! :timeout: They might actually do a bit better if they took a less 1970's confrontational style and looked more towards co-operation.

Anyway, they have a major problem in Scotland. A large proportion of their members vote for the SNP, not Labour. Due to the Nats party structure, they won't be able to have the same degree of influence as they do with Labour. As far as I'm aware, SNP party members won't stand for any interference from the Unions in how the party is run. Soooo, the Unions have screwed themselves somewhat, at least up here!:haha:

Naturally, I can't say what's happening in the rest of the UK?

Mike.

David Cameron says ministers must back any EU deal

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33043694


Vote as I tell you or be sacked in other words.


Well this may take a bit of pressure off Labours problems :yep:.

Dave is ready for any rebellion in his own ranks.

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Camerons real problem being he has a small majority of 12 and any rebellion however small from within his party can have far reaching consequences for anything he tries to push through.

I'm all for the UK staying in Europe, but any rebellion in the Tories will be amusing to watch, even though it will sadly give more power to UKIP. :/\\!!

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Dave's next speech in the house of commons.
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^ "The back-bench rebellion over Europe is this big!"

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/opposition...7.html#XPwLN7K

The damage is done its too late to try and distance yourselves from the Tories, your fault jumping on Dave's Scottish bandwagon last year.

Secret hand shacks all round, George & Ed got their gold rings on.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/osborne-ba...4.html#cVMbGIO

Pointless Ed being there then :hmm2:

Ed Balls is off to America to teach economics! :huh:

Moving on I noticed on the home Yahoo news page they are running a poll.

Who do you think should be the next Labour leader?

Chuka Umunna (2263) 18%
Liz Kendall (1260) 10%
Andy Burnham (2740) 22%
Yvette Cooper (1606) 13%
Tristam Hunt (738) 6%
Other (4124) 32%

As of posting this post.

It seems more of the general public want a new face. :hmmm:

Received a text on my iPhone from Andy Burnham this morning...the only candidate that has made the effort.

So, do you think Mr. Other will make a good PM?

Andy Burnham gets my vote :yep:

Burnham would be a good choice, but I think since he was Chief Secretary to the Treasury in Browns regime, he's a bit too close to the Great Depression and thus probably tainted too much by it. Too easy a target for Cameron.
Same with Cooper, and since her husband is Ed Balls (TM) that's another free goal for Dave.
Umna has withdrawn from the race, which is a shame because he'd probably have been the strongest hope for a Labour that would get votes, clawing it back from the far left into more central ground. Of course, doing that without running into the legacy of Blair and 'New Labour'.

Jeremy Corbyn? :har::har::har: Ain't gonna happen. Far too far left.

Liz Kendall is a potential runner. She would make for a fairly good leader, she's untainted by the 2008 crisis, she's not far left and she's done well in her seat. I think it'll be a two horse race between her and Burnham.
Who would I pick?

:hmmm:

Probably Kendall, Burnham is good, but as a member of the financial team on Browns government, that's now become public political suicide. Dave can just bring that up, time and again with his little favourite prop and Labour will not recover from the nose-dive it took this year.
To be honest, I think it's going to take another term before it does fully recover from the mauling its taken anyway, and it'll be at least three terms before the Lib-Dems manage to pull themselves back together, what's left of them.

I had an accident which rendered me unconscious for a while, I awoke in hospital with a doctor asking me if I knew who the prime minister was. I attacked the doctor and started smashing the place up.

"He's ok, " said the doctor, "he obviously knows who the prime minister is. "