it is one thing to stand on the corner holding books and looking like a Bum (Jehovah's whitnesses)
It is another thing to shove religion in my face by ringing at my doorbell or sounding the churchbells that resound all over the goddamned valley.
(yes, goddamned :rotfl2: )

Its not unreligious people that need to leave the public and create nuisance.
unreligious people do not do, preach, propagate religion. we aint makin no fuss, aint nobody got time for dat.

me, as an unreligious person, i just want religion gone from my life, from the public, from the power.
Then i will maybe be able to respect it, this new, powerless, uninvasive religion, and even accept it to a certain degree.

...which is what i percieve skybird to strive for, too.

and yes... if it were to come down to a war between religion and no religion, i would muster up too.
should be fun.

Luckily folks like you and Skybird are in the minority. I think the armies of religion would make short work of you.

Bums? Here they are actually dressed better than...well...bums. Thye wear black pants, white shirts and black ties.
It's not unlike a commission-based vacuum cleaner salesman :haha:

Aww you poor poor unreligious people, who can't defend themselves.

Ain't never ever gonna happen.
And herein is the hypocritical part. You want all religion gone from your life, totally.
But then how can you respect something which you don't know?

okay okay, then let me rephrase that:

Just stop the bellringing, the "Christian" Democratic party (lol), the invites to church in my mailbox, the voodo master offering me to connect with my lost ones for a fee..., the selling of Religion and spritualities of all sorts.

But you may at the same time be right...
i do not care for religion, and therefor probably have no wish to gain respect for it. As of today, i can only shake my head over it, and currently can not respect religion much, no.


But i could start to respect the people that discuss their religious beliefs in the small circle. Discussing in a way i cross them, at the bus stop, or overhearing a conversation... that would be okay. religion on a personal, private level, i can accept that. They are free to believe. And believing is all right.

Respect for them keeping their religion more or less private, instead of using its banner for all sorts of things.

Accepting people that are different from me, without getting in my face all the time about said difference on the believer-nonbeliever subject.

On the "masses" subject...
True.

One of the reasons i currently dispise Religion.
It clouds the mind of 90% of Earths population because of the way religion is lived. "my god has bigger balls than your god"

:nope:
Maybe no nneed to wage a awar against all religions.
Maybe all i need to do is set up the religions against each other, and let them kill each other mutually. They might be dim enough to do that.

a good way to fight Overpopulation of this planet.:rotfl2:

Quoted for future prosecution. :yep:

Just put the religius leaders in the arena and let them duke it out.

I think the faithfull and nonbelievers wont have trouble living with one and another after that :yep:

I've noticed a lot of strong anti-believer remarks here. Seems to me to be more non-believers than believers here. Maybe the believers know better than to enter here :haha:

Seems to me that some of you are also stereotyping us believers into 1 basket and saying that: 'those dam pesky believers who can't keep their beliefs to themselves and accost me at my home or in the street or at the drug store...and that you religious people should keep your religion to yourselves, behind closed doors, like some plague.

Not all of us believers are accosting you at your door, or accost you whilst doing your weekly dishwashing detergent shopping, or thrusting God's words into your ears while you are cleaning the bugs off your bumper bar.
No siree, for example, i'm a believer, i believe in God the almighty. But that doesn't mean to say that i go and plan to visit all you non believers here in this thread one by one to make you believe in God.
Nope. nor does my father, who also believes.
So, let's just be careful about lumping all us believers into the one basket of: 'pesky, annoying bible bashers' who won't leave you alone to your non-believing.

But why do you care about something you don't care about?


It's been done for you. Muslims and Christians are looking at you, for example.

I got involved in fundamentalism at about age 14, not that I really intended to do so, a cute girl invited me. It was a revival with a mountain preacher screaming his lungs out about the tortures of hell. I wasn't so much concerned about finding God then as I was about being tortured, so I went and got saved. I spent 9 years in that church.

Certainly, there were some good aspects, but it wasn't worth the emotional trauma. I can remember much conflict over science in school and what the church thought. In church we're told the earth was 6000 years old and that evolution was false.

Course the teens accepted what the church taught. I walked around for years waiting for God to strike me dead over a host of sins, natural things like masturbation. We were taught that mere sexual thoughts were adultery and that if we willfully did it, we probably weren't saved. About 19, I was teaching Sunday School, later became the youth pastor. I became very frustrated at every revival, seems the entire youth would get saved again. I realized they were suffering and dealing with the same emotional trauma I was. It became more serious to me when a 17 year old young man took his life over the fact he couldn't stop masturbating.
I know for a fact that the majority of fundy kids went wild when they reached adulthood.

It was when I went to bible college that I learned I wasn't to take everything literal. The more I studied, the more I questioned, even though the motto of our church was "Don't question God." I later did mission work in Africa and Borneo, saw more suffering than could be imagined. I became very skeptical, my views changed somewhat, but I didn't quit believing, but I dropped out of church.

Over the years, I spend 1000's of hours of sincere study trying to figure out God, what religion was right with an open mind and a sincere heart. If God existed, I couldn't figure him out. Later I recall talking to a pastor who told me my unbelief was "I got away from the bible". Seems my options were closing my mind, my heart and my logic to accept a version of God or remain skeptical. I chose to remain skeptical, hoping that if God exist, he would prefer an honest sincere skeptic over a dishonest close minded believer.

I don't trust any religion regarding the education of my children, because it starts with them closing their minds to critical thinking, resulting in a mind that can be easily controlled.

I would love to KNOW God exist, but I cannot know. It doesn't mean I don't think it possible, I just don't know. I do know I became a more moral person without religion, more loving and more concerned for my fellow man.

Ih that case, you are out of luck...


if
*there are believers propagating their beliefs (churchbells to doorbels, any channel, any media)
coupled with
* there are so many more believers than nonbelievers

then the believers appear to be an overwhelming mass to me, and appear as a threat to my quiet and religionfree life (void of any religion, and almost void of spirituality)

leading to a stereotype - maybe.
Guilty me? :O:

because it gets on my nerves?$

for example from 06.00 in the morning, every 15 minutes, till 08.00 in the evening. every day.
and it is especially bad around the full hour, near noon.

because i read them getting power and tax money. privileges and stuff.
I do care about religion... about religion losing all of that!:woot:

There is no place for you or me in Skybird and HundertzehnGustav's brave new world.

There is place for you and your religion.
on your own property, on your own land.

I have never heard of such a thing. You are either exaggerating or you are the most proselytized person on the planet.