Never give up telling the truth......Our health care system is not broken. That is a lie. If it were broken people from all over the world wouldn't come here for treatment. No one of means goes to Africa for treatment.

People seem to like Medicare

http://www.nationaljournal.com/njonl...90629_2600.php

Again it goes back to choice. When that is the only option the level of care will go down. I bet you are against monopolies. This is no different. My mother is 76 yo and I'm not happy with her care under Medicaid/Medicare. But have no choice.

People do not realize Castle. My mother has medication that cost $1200.00 per month. She pays out of pocket. My old man is on hand fulls of heart medications as he has had congestive heart failure twice. This medication is paid out of pocket. Medicare only goes so far. As I have been screaming all along...fix the damn proplem that got the cost of healthcare so high then think about a universal healthcare system.

Trial Lawyers.

Not all of them.

Our health care system is broken. Any system that bankrupts the people that make significant use of it is broken. You must work for an insurance company.

Got any stats to back up that statement?

Do you know how big the medical tourism business is in this country? Americans going abroad due to the skyrocketing costs in health care?

The actual care itself is not broken. The cost and system as a whole is broken.

I know of no one personally that has gone abroad for healthcare. I don't think I ever will.

No I don't nor do I care. Again they are provided with the best medical care in the world. If they don't like the care they have every right to seek other options. The so called reform bill, as it stands would remove that option for many.

Pg 30 Sec 123 – THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.
Pg 29 Lines 4-16 – YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!! You can only get so much “care” per year.
Pg 42 – The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you. You have no choice!
PG 50 Section 152 – HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise.
Pg 58 – Govt will have real-time access to individuals finances & a National ID Healthcard will be issued!
Pg 59 Lines 21-24 – Govt will have direct access to your bank accounts for elective funds transfer.
PG 65 Sec 164 – Payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).
Pg 72 Lines 8-14 – Govt is creating an HC Exchange to bring private HC plans under Govt control.
PG 84 Sec 203 – Govt mandates ALL benefit pkgs for private HC plans in the Exchange.
PG 85 Line 7 – Specs for Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration your Healthcare!
PG 91 Lines 4-7 – Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services. Example – Translation for illegal aliens.
Pg 95 Lines 8-18 – The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individually for Govt HC plan.
PG 85 Line 7 – Specs of Benefit Levels for Plans. #AARP members – your Health care WILL be rationed.
PG 102 Lines 12-18 – Medicaid Eligible Indiv. will be automat.enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.
Pg 124 Lines 24-25 – No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No “judicial review” against Govt Monopoly.
Pg 127 Lines 1-16 – Doctors/AMA – The Govt will tell YOU what you can make.
Pg 145 Line 15-17 – An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public opt plan. NO CHOICE.
Pg 126 Lines 22-25 – Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families.
Pg 149 Lines 16-24 – ANY Emplyer with payroll of 400k & above who does not provide public option pays 8% tax on all payroll.
Pg 150 Lines 9-13 – Businesses with payroll between 251k & 400k who doesn’t provide public option pays 2-6% tax on all payroll.
Pg 167 Lines 18-23 – ANY individual who doesnt have acceptable HC accrding to Govt will be taxed 2.5%.
Pg 170 Lines 1-3 – Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (You and I will pay for them.)
Pg 195 – Officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans’ financial/personal records.
PG 203 Line 14-15 – “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax” Yes, it says that.
Pg 239 Line 14-24 – Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor will be very affected.
Pg 241 Line 6-8 – Doctors, doesn’t matter what specialty you have, you’ll all be paid the same.
PG 253 Line 10-18 – Govt sets value of Doctor’s time, professional judgments, etc. Literally value of humans.
PG 265 Sec 1131 – Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries.
PG 268 Sec 1141 – Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs.
PG 272 Sec 1145 – TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS – Cancer patients. Welcome to rationing!
Page 280 Sec 1151 – The Govt will penalize hospitals for what Govt deems preventable readmissions.
Pg 317 Lines 13-20 – PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Doctors what/how much they can own.
Pg 317-318 Lines 21-25,1-3 – PROHIBITION on expansion – Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand.
pg 321 Lines 2-13 – Hospitals have option to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can you say ACORN?!!
Pg335 Lines 16-25 Pg 336-339 – Govt mandates estab. of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing.
Pg 341 Lines 3-9 – Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing all into Govt HC plan.
Pg 354 Sec 1177 – Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs.
Pg 379 Sec 1191 – Govt creates more bureaucracy – Telehealth Advisory Committee. Can you say HC by phone?
PG 425 Lines 4-12 – Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life. Seniors will be interviewed every year for health issues and decisions made as to what care they can or can’t receive
Pg 425 Lines 17-19 – Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!
PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 – Govt provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death.
PG 427 Lines 15-24 – Govt mandates program for orders for end of life. The Govt has a say in how your life ends.
Pg 428, 429 Lines 17-25, 1-9 – An “advanced care planning consult” will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates.
PG 429 Lines 10-12 – “Advanced care planning consultation” may include an ORDER for end of life plans. An ORDER from the government.
Pg 429 Lines 13-25 – The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.
PG 430 Lines 11-15 – The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life.
Pg 469 – Community Based Home Medical Services = Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Services here!!?
Page 472 Lines 14-17 – PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment to a community-based org. Like ACORN?
PG 489 – Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt into your marriage.
Pg 494-498 – Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, rationing those services.

What do you think of the program there?

Since I just moved to Mass last month and I already had health insurance through work it hasn't really been an issue for me yet. It sure is nice to know that if I loose my job, and therefore my insurance, there is a safety net to fall back on.

So you're admitting your point was pulled out of your "stern tube". Mmhmm.

And then you go on to quote some garbage:

Why do you have to rely on out and out lies to argue your point?

Heh, that's right - I wasn't just imagining that you were in RI at some point. :doh:

In any case, that's exactly the way it should be. People should NOT be at the mercy of an insurance company. Likewise, people should not be subjected to the absolute foolishness of yet another inefficient government system.

That's why I believe that the government should mandate a set of hard-and-fast rules to the insurance companies. Allow them to make money, of course - but the insurance companies do NOT have the right to make unlimited gobs of it due to unfair practices. EVERY OTHER industry of necessity is highly regulated. Hell, if the utilities want to raise rates here in Wisconsin, they have to get government approval. Even the health insurance industry is CURRENTLY highly regulated. But the current regulations are idiotic, exclusive, and does way more for the industry than the patient.

Agree 100%.

You are right on the mark. Fix the system first before anything called universal is introduced. Does it make sense to start universal coverage with a broken system in place?