SUBSIM Radio Room Forums - Here we go again-Ukraine once again

Sanctions as there are now will not help if Europe buys gas from Russia stop that will hurt Russia big because transport of gas is not so easy as coal or oil Russia needs pipelines for it those are mainly going to Europe one to China so that would not make up the loss if Europe stops Russian gas imports.

Russia has already committed three quarters of its available ground and airborne tactical units to Ukraine. It has only approximately 30-35 battalion tactical groups in reserve. What forces it commits in the next few weeks will be its strategic reserve. For the first time in the history of modern European warfare, Russia may run out of soldiers.

Russia may hold Ukrainian territory, almost entirely road-bound Russian forces only truly control the towns that they occupy, the roads they sit on, out to the range of their main tank guns. Russia’s next steps must either win this war, or it will soon have no good military alternatives.

The west can only supply Ukraine and does, so even we do not see it their forces with the needed arms and spring is there, so ground is becoming muddy vegetation grows all thing in favor of the Ukraine army.

Dargo

04-09-22 04:17 PM

Germany is worried about its own defense and does not want to hand over old armored (personnel) carriers to Ukraine that have meanwhile been completely decommissioned. :har:

mapuc

04-09-22 04:48 PM

Dargo wrote
"Russia’s next steps must either win this war, or it will soon have no good military alternatives."

You are correct, the alternatives is not what a general want to think on/about
Then I do not know the mentality of a Russian general, so maybe thinking of using weapon of mass destruction comes normal for him. Or maybe not.

Markus

Dargo

04-09-22 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2802867)

General, Aleksandr V. Dvornikov, is a veteran of the Syrian war so will have the same tactics with a pretty savage track record in Syria, is believed to be behind the horrific shelling of a railway station full of women and children in Donetsk on Friday.

Otto Harkaman

04-09-22 07:37 PM

Understanding Vladimir Putin, the man who fooled the world

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Vladimir Putin was annoyed – or maybe just bored. The Russian leader had been patiently fielding questions from a small group of international journalists in the restaurant of a modest hotel in Davos. Then one of the queries seemed to irritate him. He stared back at the questioner, an American, and said slowly, through an interpreter: “I’ll answer that question in a minute. But first let me ask you about the extraordinary ring you have on your finger.”

All heads in the room swivelled. “Why is the stone so large?” Putin continued. A few of the audience began to giggle and the journalist looked uncomfortable. Putin took on a tone of mock sympathy and continued: “You surely don’t mind me asking, because you wouldn’t be wearing something like that unless you were trying to draw attention to yourself?” There was more laughter. By now, the original question had been forgotten. It was a masterclass in distraction and bullying.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...oled-the-world

Article by Vladimir Putin ”On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians“, 12.07.2021
https://www.rusemb.org.uk/article/708

Otto Harkaman

04-09-22 07:56 PM

Part of the article listed above, very interesting

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Putin points to the western powers’ 2011 intervention in Libya that resulted in the overthrow of Muammar Gaddafi – something he believes they had promised they would not do.

That episode is a particularly sore spot for Putin, since it took place during the four years from 2008 to 2012 when he was serving in the lesser job of prime minister, having stepped aside as president in favour of his acolyte Dmitry Medvedev. As Putin’s supporters see it, a naive Medvedev was duped into supporting a UN resolution that allowed for a limited intervention, only for western powers to exceed their mandate in order to overthrow and kill Gaddafi. They have no time for the response that the Libyan intervention was made on human rights grounds, but that events then took on a life of their own, as the Libyan rebellion gained steam.

Medvedev’s alleged naivety in allowing the Libyan intervention proved useful for Putin, however: it established the idea that he was indispensable as Russia’s leader. Any substitute, even one chosen by Putin, would leave the country vulnerable to a scheming and ruthless west. In 2011, Putin announced that he intended to return as president, after the potential presidential term had been extended to two consecutive periods of six years. This announcement provoked rare public demonstrations in Moscow and other cities, which again fanned Putin’s fears about western schemes to undermine his power. I was in Moscow in January 2012 and witnessed the marches and banners, some of which carried pointed references to Gaddafi’s fate. Putin understood the parallels. He commented publicly about how disgusted he had been by the footage of Gaddafi’s murder – which perhaps reflected a certain concern about his own potential fate. The fact that Hillary Clinton, then America’s Secretary of State, expressed public support for the 2012 demonstrations was deeply resented by Putin and may have justified, in his mind, Russia’s efforts to undermine Clinton’s presidential campaign in 2016.

tmccarthy

04-09-22 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Gorpet (Post 2802554)

Yes, Let's get back to the real deal,The Americans are gambling again, And NATO will follow like the sheep they are. So this time it's war again, You know America and it's Allies and that might be You! must fight..Democracy must have an Enemy or it will not survive. We have had the Chinese release a devastating virus on the World that has cost millions of lives.Yet here we are again looking the other way Why? Do your Politicians have so many secrets in Ukraine that they will take this World to Nuclear Destruction? Why do our Politicians want to fight the Russian people?

Look at it this way, would any one of your countries accept the same sanctions on your country and it"s people.Will your government set back and let you starve have your country's economic system collapse. What is the difference between bullets and sanctions. Years ago in our past it was called Blockade, starve them and they will surrender. That didn't work out so good. Why do the so called Smartest brains of the year 2022 think they are so much smarter?

This is regional conflict between Ukraine and Russia.And that's it. Example: USA vs Mexico another USA vs Canada..USA vs South America Who is coming to this fight? The UN would be really Funcked wouldn't they. Poland joined NATO 20 some years ago. Do you think now that they are the Spearhead and could be first recipients of real climate change. They must be overjoyed with their decision. It's time for the people the everyday people to stop the Elites and their Quest for Power and their New World Order. Their gambles amongst themselves could cost the death of the entire population of this planet. Common Sense bound with experience and intelligence is the future.Not the Elite's in their vision of the world where they are The Shepherds with the Staff who control a planet of sheep.

Well, put. :yep:

I'm still a long way from being able to express all my ideas and thoughts on this one, I'd be starting with the origins of the Cold War. So posting videos for consideration reflecting what I'm seeing, learning, and getting to seems way more productive. There is one idea expressed in your post I'd like to address:

Who are we fighting for?

Something I've come to see more clearly is Presidents come and go, political power in Washington changes hands and evolves but there are other powers that are let's say more constant and focused like the military-industrial complex, the mainstream media(less journalism and more a biased advocate), foreign special interest groups and neoconservatives who seem to have had a great deal of influence in both Republican and Democrat administrations since the end of the Cold War. And I believe none of them have your or my interests in mind.

Neoconservatism - Words of the World, Apr 12, 2013
https://youtu.be/S-Zb1MRGIYA

Russiagaters, NeoCons Push WORLD WAR 3 With Russia | Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar , Feb 28, 2022
https://youtu.be/M1xLu4DvlzY

-Tim

Gorpet

04-09-22 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2802585)

Oh, a pointy tongue.

At 55, with the apparent onset of athrosis in my right knee, a nerve disease that will kill me soon enough, and 5 and 6 diopters in my eyes, it's a bit late to ask the German Air Force to teach me to fly a Eurofighter, don't you think...?
I did something better. In the middle of March I donated 500 Euros to an alliance of aid organizations taking care of the Ukrainian refugees arriving in Germany, and last week I donated the same amount to a local alliance here in Münster taking care of the Ukrainians arriving in my town.

Normally I don't donate so easily. I am forced to pay taxes, for plenty of bull I do not want to support at all, but must, thats why I usually do not additionally donate, but offset the donation against the compulsory taxes for purposes I object to. But this time its almost neighbours of ours, and in my living town, not some completely foreign people from a culture hostile to our Western world.

How much have you already done, wise guy?

Which leaves the question whether my argumentation is not liked by you because its me telling it, or whether you think its wrong by argument's content. In case of the latter, I'm listening, in case of the first, I dont care.

Holy ****, We here in America have been told, Europeans have the best socialist health care on this planet.Get here to the land of milk and honey, And as a tourist i can shoot you in leg and you can get all your medicials done now you can't get a better offer than that.

Gorpet

04-10-22 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Commander Wallace (Post 2802632)

Russia removed from UN Human Rights Council after Ukraine atrocities

https://www.foxnews.com/world/un-sus...il-ukraine-war

But nothing for the Chinese?

Gorpet

04-10-22 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2802867)

The American Government think Putin has lost his mind.On the other hand you have .The United Nations and all the the best minds of that Organization, The planet could not be in better hands.

Gorpet

04-10-22 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Dargo (Post 2802864)

Germany is worried about its own defense and does not want to hand over old armored (personnel) carriers to Ukraine that have meanwhile been completely decommissioned. :har:

Germany never expected Americas Democrat's to put their country in the line of fire.And neither did Poland,You want to crawl in bed with America's Politicians and run in the Elite World Order. It comes with a price and if your just a Politician your on the bottom rung of the ladder of true power. Mordor is real and it's located somewhere in the Alps of Europe.

Gorpet

04-10-22 01:46 AM

[QUOTE=tmccarthy;2802878]Well, put. :yep:

I'm still a long way from being able to express all my ideas and thoughts on this one, I'd be starting with the origins of the Cold War. So posting videos for consideration reflecting what I'm seeing, learning, and getting to seems way more productive. There is one idea expressed in your post I'd like to address:

Who are we fighting for?

Something I've come to see more clearly is Presidents come and go, political power in Washington changes hands and evolves but there are other powers that are let's say more constant and focused like the military-industrial complex, the mainstream media(less journalism and more a biased advocate), foreign special interest groups and neoconservatives who seem to have had a great deal of influence in both Republican and Democrat administrations since the end of the Cold War. And I believe none of them have your or my interests in mind.

Tim, our government will never evolve.You want to know why ? When the Politicians cracked the Mafia in America.They inherited the knowledge of the spider web of how a family works. and hell they already had the power. Coupled with every Bank and Corporation at that time. And the people of this country have been on their rollercoaster ride since. These people want to keep their families in power that's all. Why do we have so many people that should have retired and spend time with their children and grandchildren. POWER

Gorpet

04-10-22 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 2802594)

I was not in the US when these protests got out of hand, i was seeing this via tv, papers, internet.
We always hear that there is no racism, a thing of the past, we got over it... bullsh!t. It is everywhere, not only in the US, but there was a bit too much shooting at black people with video and internet evidence to ignore it. So yes in spirit BLM makes sense because this slogan reminds the people that there is racial bias, more black people killed in relation, wanting to remind the world that black lives ALSO MATTER. It never meant that ONLY black lives matter, as the usual suspects immediately perpetrated, but that they ALSO do.

Next are demonstrations with the usual rabble rousers walking along with the initially peaceful organisers, abusing them for hiding in the masses and create some action. How much demonstrations have we seen where the organisers tried to get rid of the aggressive idiots and looters and drive them out of their marching blocks. Never saw this on Breitbart and Fox? Too bad.

What certain people wanted was to condemn all the demonstrations, to divert from the real problem and re-install the usual propaganda in the people's minds of blacks and leftists looting.
What a ... will come to that later –

You are a silly person.You believe that these people haven't been given every opportunity to get an education and if they take advantage of having a teacher to teach them. Who the fkns cares if they are white,The rest of the world doesn't mind if white Professors at Harvard or Princeton teach their kids.And these people from these countries have some serious equality problems of their own. Where in the hell are the Catfishes in those countries? Nowhere, They only spout off against the countries they live in. And they damn sure will never leave. Like the young girl that now say's nothing when The real powers of the world aren't listen to her Blah,Blah. About climate change. Where the hell is Greta? Why isn't she telling us how the Russians and Ukraines are destroying mother earth. Damn just the fumes from their cordite and fires and the destruction from artillery shell's will kill the planet

Or is Greta and the rest of her rich family hunkering down and waiting.It will not matter, The countries of NATO led by the smartest minds in Washington DC. Well America and it' Allies have turned into the Borg, Resistance is futile and it's for the Russian people, But not the Chinese they are the hivemind.And they are the Phoenix that rose from the ashes.They are the only country that will not take emigrant's that will change their culture. I'm waiting. And don't come back with Island's that are smaller than Britain.

Catfish

04-10-22 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Gorpet (Post 2802900)

You are a silly person. [...]

That.
Still i think there is a systemic problem that no one wants to tackle.

Meanwhile in Russia, the cultural propaganda war is in full swing :haha:

https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status...88818078887941

Jimbuna

04-10-22 05:50 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4WEBwsuQf0

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