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Cybermat47 03-30-13 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by yubba (Post 2034049)
One thousand ,,, seven hundred and fifty aircraft lost to hostile activities is not a few. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraf...he_Vietnam_War 17 b-52s might be considered a few.

Steve was talking about B-52s, not all aircraft. His point still stands.

Dear lord, I'm helping a conservative.

Tribesman 03-31-13 03:59 AM

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Doesn't matter. The question was whether people with M-16s could stand up to bombing by B-52s, and my point that the North Vietnamese did it for ten years still stands. They shot down a few, but the bombing continued. And they survived it. The point was that they never had air superiority, but that didn't kill them all, and it didn't stop the war. They didn't win by shooting down all the enemy planes, but they still won.
And you missed the point entirely that they were backed by a superpower, just like the American revolutionaries were.
So the question you missed is who is going to back the American with an M-16, as if they have no big backers then they cannot be compared to N. Vietnam at all.

Sailor Steve 03-31-13 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by yubba (Post 2034049)
One thousand ,,, seven hundred and fifty aircraft lost to hostile activities is not a few. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraf...he_Vietnam_War 17 b-52s might be considered a few.

Irrelevant. How many aircraft were shot down has nothing to do with the question I originally addressed. You're picking nits.

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47 (Post 2034064)
Steve was talking about B-52s, not all aircraft. His point still stands.

Actually I was talking about surviving the bombing and fighting on.

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Dear lord, I'm helping a conservative.
What makes you think I'm a conservative?

Tribesman 03-31-13 07:16 AM

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Irrelevant. How many aircraft were shot down has nothing to do with the question I originally addressed. You're picking nits.
You are still going in circles.
You didn't address it as a states armed forces with foriegn backing are nothing at all like the issue in question.

MH 03-31-13 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 2034145)
You are still going in circles.
You didn't address it as a states armed forces with foriegn backing are nothing at all like the issue in question.

Every one knows that Mexicans will take care of that.:haha:

Sailor Steve 03-31-13 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 2034145)
You are still going in circles.

Only because you're making me

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You didn't address it as a states armed forces with foriegn backing are nothing at all like the issue in question.
That had nothng to do with Oberon's original question, which I answered. It's always more complex than can be stated without a full-page tome, then and now.

yubba 03-31-13 11:48 AM

So we have a civil war against the federal government lets say red states against blue states, and they the feds managed to coherse some pilots to fly against the american people,, breaking their oath,, remeber, states have the air national guard and the states have the right to protect their sovernity the question ought to be could blue states take red states and how many service men and women would break their oath and turn against the american people, if red states stop producing and giving services to northern blue states I believe they would starve or they would end up looking like north korea...As it stands now 340 sheriffs won't support the governments assult on the 2nd amendment.

Buddahaid 03-31-13 12:04 PM

Your surrounded. Lay down your arms and give yourself up.
http://douglas.nerad.org/journal/wp-...popredblue.png

yubba 03-31-13 01:08 PM

I think Chesty Puller, said it the best, now that we are surrounded we won't have any problem finding the enemy. or was it Nutz

Oberon 03-31-13 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid (Post 2034268)
Your surrounded. Lay down your arms and give yourself up.
http://douglas.nerad.org/journal/wp-...popredblue.png

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...gNZG3gmqc#t=7s

Tribesman 03-31-13 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 2034203)


That had nothng to do with Oberon's original question, which I answered. It's always more complex than can be stated without a full-page tome, then and now.

I was just pointing out that due to the other factors involved N. Vietnam is an example that does not answer the question.

Buddahaid 03-31-13 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2034314)

Thanks, I'll add that one to my list of movies to not see. :O:

Sailor Steve 03-31-13 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 2034354)
I was just pointing out that due to the other factors involved N. Vietnam is an example that does not answer the question.

The soldiers in the field survived the bombings. Not through airpower or foreign backing. All that bombing just failed to kill them. Yes, you're right; they recieved a lot of help to keep them supplied, which helped keep them going. I only spoke to their surviving the bombings.

Cybermat47 03-31-13 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 2034094)
What makes you think I'm a conservative?

FAIL :oops:

Cybermat47 03-31-13 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 2034384)
The soldiers in the field survived the bombings. Not through airpower or foreign backing.

Possibly through the environment though, and Vietnam has a very different environment to America.

Sailor Steve 03-31-13 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47 (Post 2034385)
FAIL :oops:

LOL.

That's the problem with being a true independent. Some issues (guns) get me labeled an arch-conservative and some (abortion) get me called a flaming liberal. I catch it from both sides, and I can't win.

yubba 03-31-13 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2034314)

WAY TO GO DALLAS I mean Texas,, and I never watch that show,,, I think the Air National Gaurd is also flying A-10s and apche attack helicopters,, I don't think big sis's armored cars will like the business end of that 30mm cannon or a 20mm for that matter if it comes down to push and shove.

Oberon 03-31-13 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by yubba (Post 2034408)
WAY TO GO DALLAS I mean Texas,, and I never watch that show,,, I think the Air National Gaurd is also flying A-10s and apche attack helicopters,, I don't think big sis's armored cars will like the business end of that 30mm cannon or a 20mm for that matter if it comes down to push and shove.

A10s aren't known for their liking of SAMs and AAAs either...if it came down to push and shove.

yubba 03-31-13 09:08 PM

got a better map
 
http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/u...p-620x335.jpeg
As of jan 12 2013 30 state signed petitions to succeed from the federal government,,I'd say someone is a little out numbered,,,that also goes for those black helicopters with no markings if it comes to push beomes shove...it :O:took me the damnist time to get that phrase spit out. I know New York ain't going to fight against any red state they can't have more than 7 rounds in their guns at anytime, I think I heard there was more hunters in the woods the first day of deer season than are federal employees.

Buddahaid 03-31-13 11:36 PM

Let the games begin.
http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.48934...26169&pid=15.1


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