Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 1625672)

You'd be surprised. The freeware unit tracking doesn't work with most military jets, and the B-2s are using Tanker unit callsigns to disguise their movements from people listening into the ATC.

The guys who are monitoring the ATC are actually in some cases helping the Americans, for example this:

:up:

Originally Posted by Molon Labe (Post 1625852)

Where do you get these awesome photos?

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike (Post 1625857)

http://militaryphotos.net/
the best intelligence site on the net! :haha:

Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 1625648)

One can ask if economic sanctions against a regime make sense if the leader of that regime is siad to have put 30 billion Euros, 140 tons of gold aside.


But what pisses me big time again is that when NATO finally said that it wants to enforce a naval blockade against weapon deliveries via ship, the germ,an government - apparently in great haste - immediately announced that it gave orders that the two German frigates and two German fast attack boats currently operating in the Med as part of the the standing NATO naval force there, are to return and are no longer under NATO command.

Great going, my dear Mrs Merkel.


I think this - at the latest - was it with the Berliner bigmouths' dream of getting Germany a permanent seat in the security council. If this gremium serves the idealistic purpose that it claims for itself, can be argued - but assessing it by the idealistic claims, Germany indeed has no business in the SC indeed.


I would like to see the other NATO countries simply ignoring Germany in the coming years, and NATO not picking up the new offer of Germany to send AWACS personell to Afghanistan instead. Let Berlin feel how Germany is being perceived.

Former foreign minister Joschka Fischer, a Green, who once let Rumsfeld run against a wall over the Iraq war when telling him that Rumsfeld did not convince him, has stripped foreign ministre Guido Westerwave and the German govenment of all feathers. There is little that unites me with Fischer, but like he was right back then to confront the Americans, he again is right today when attacking and sinking the German government.


That the German government still speaks of unity and how very much it is supporting it's allied "friends" and how very much the other nations understand the Germans (once again...), is simply shabby, and a lie tailored to deceive the German people in the main.


I would wish the the next election(s) to explode into the face of the CDU, unfortunately, the alternative of the SPD, the Greens or Die Linke forming the next government, is not any better. Maybe they would do better regarding this single issue now - but onlöy at the cost of messing up many others.

Originally Posted by jimbuna (Post 1625991)

I must admit I'd be feeling a tad annoyed if I were a German right at this moment.

Originally Posted by Freiwillige (Post 1626127)

Germany, If England and France jumped off a bridge would you follow?

Like drugs, Just because everybody else is doing it doesn't make it cool.:smug:

Originally Posted by Freiwillige (Post 1626127)

Germany, If England and France jumped off a bridge would you follow?

Like drugs, Just because everybody else is doing it doesn't make it cool.:smug:

Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 1626151)

Germany did not follow the madness in 2003

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat (Post 1626241)

It's very easy to fall back on the 19th century notion that one State should not interfere in the internal affairs of another to justify doing nothing and letting Khadafi massacre his own people.

But in the 21st century, where everyone is wired in to everyone else on earth and we all know in real time what is happening, you can't on the one hand encourage democratic reforms and aspirations and on the other, just stand by on the sidelines when the whole thing goes south and say "well, it's really none of our business" or "well, the replacement will probably be worse".

We have had many situations in the past, Irak 1991, Rwanda, Bosnia, Ethiopia, Sudan, where long afterwards, people have said that they should have done something.

Well the time is now and the place is Libya: Do you let Khadafi reconquer the whole of Libya and put to death ten of thousands of opponents or do you say, enough is enough, we are not going to stand by and let another tinpot dictator get away with murder.

Khadafi has got to go!

We'll worry about the replacement when he's gone. :ping: