SUBSIM Radio Room Forums

SUBSIM Radio Room Forums (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/index.php)
-   General Topics (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/forumdisplay.php?f=175)
-   -   Israel - lock n load! (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=99742)

NefariousKoel 10-20-06 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

All wars of the US since WWII have been against much weaker, local factions only that could not project influence or combat effectiveness beyond their region. and even under these optimal conditions, the war sometimes failed (Korea an unsatisfying draw with hurting long-term consequences, Vietnam a total defeat, Iraq a total defeat, Afghanistan about getting lost, the "Stellvertreterkrieg" of Israel versus Hezbollah being a defeat as well - it was the general test and preparation-effort towards an Iran war).

I can only warn of easily starting a war against Iran. And do not even start again to think about wanting to missionise them again towards western understandings of freedom and democracy...!!! try that, and if you do not loose the war during the field battle, you will loose it afterwards nevertheless.

All the wars you mentioned were not wholly successful, or not successful at all due to one thing. Ignorantly restrictive ROE established by US politicians. The same reason the current setup is not working very well IMO. :nope:

Fighting a war with one hand tied behind your back (and shoved down your pink freakin' panties) is no way to fight a war at all. Go all the way or don't go at all.

Also..
WTF is Gary on about? People never fail to amaze me when they open their mouth.

Gary 10-20-06 03:02 PM

Please let me apologize for causing so much "Fear Uncertanty Doubt"
among you. I had hoped adding a non-jew approved opinion to this call
for murdering the innocent leader of Iran as well as the cowardly
strike with nukes might have been food for thought.
Question: Was that FUD coarse part of some new jew approved sensitivity
training? That is if you are in the military?
I just had to ASK but you don't have to TELL.

I know you have to be awfully careful what you say about the jew in the
military these days, after all you are just temporary sub-contractors as
far as the jews are concerned.:D

10-20-06 03:05 PM

Gary, I was hoping you could elaborate on your view regarding the jewish question.

Skybird 10-20-06 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NefariousKoel
All the wars you mentioned were not wholly successful, or not successful at all due to one thing. Ignorantly restrictive ROE established by US politicians. The same reason the current setup is not working very well IMO. :nope:

Fighting a war with one hand tied behind your back (and shoved down your pink freakin' panties) is no way to fight a war at all. Go all the way or don't go at all.

I agree on the seocnd part, completely, and have used exactly that phrase myself repeatedly. However, western cou7ntries are not run by the military alone, and their wars are not fought by the military alone, but also by politicians. the union of political and military intentions in western wars is a reality. So it does not matter if you are right or wrong with your argument to put the military failure into relation. the wars were lost, by the whole of the nation - and that includes military as weoll as the political level. Without the political level, it would be no democracy, but a miliztary dictatorship.

but it definitely would help if politicians would have a bit more of brain and reason at times, and would focus on decision making about question wether going to war, or not - and once the decision has been made leave it to the military. But that is not the reality of today.

Skybird 10-20-06 03:18 PM

Me thinks Gary is a strange guy.

SUBMAN1 10-20-06 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird
Me thinks Gary is a strange guy.

I concur.

SUBMAN1 10-20-06 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waste gate
Quote:
Originally Posted by waste gate
Originally Posted by Gary
Quote:
with the jew controlled media we as Americans have been so deceived about who are real enemies really are

Can you elaborate on this?


He is trying to feed you FUD (Fear Uncertanty Doubt). All propoganda. So no, he can't.

-S


Please don't answer for Gary. Let the man speak for himself. His opinion is important.

From what I have seen, his opinion doesn't account for much (Matter of fact, its a little whacked), so no thanks.

Takeda Shingen 10-20-06 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary
Please let me apologize for causing so much "Fear Uncertanty Doubt"
among you. I had hoped adding a non-jew approved opinion to this call
for murdering the innocent leader of Iran as well as the cowardly
strike with nukes might have been food for thought.
Question: Was that FUD coarse part of some new jew approved sensitivity
training? That is if you are in the military?
I just had to ASK but you don't have to TELL.

I know you have to be awfully careful what you say about the jew in the
military these days, after all you are just temporary sub-contractors as
far as the jews are concerned.:D

Tell, me, doth the Well of Hatred sound so deeply in this age? It is time for you to come out of the failed political anti-semitism of the 19th century. Do you fear the present? Do you hide under low beds? Do you confine yourself to the conumption of twigs and roots for fear of tampered vittles?

Come to think of this, I ask in vain. You will not be around long enough to answer.

Yahoshua 10-20-06 05:50 PM

....with the jew controlled media we as Americans have been so deceived about who are real enemies really are......

This is why i stopped reading newspapers from mainstream U.S. and started reading some of the Arab papers.

In the U.S. mainstream papers all I hear is that we're being criticized, bombed, threatened, killed, murdered, held down by politics and forced to tie our hands behind our backs while we give away what little land we have left.

In the Arab papers however, we own all the land, control all the banks, we're all rich, and the world is perfect! Where do I subscribe? :roll:

(Gary------> :doh: )

So, seeing as I'm a Jew (or to be more precise, an Israelite since I don't know what tribe I'm from), can you explain to me why I'm poor?

It really does defy all intelligence that a nation the size of New Jersey could somehow inconvienence the whole of the Middle East and most of North Africa simply by existing.

Do you care to explain any of this or would you prefer to bury your head in the ground where it's nice and cuddly for you?

Coda 10-20-06 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird
Me thinks Gary is a strange guy.

Don't think we need a poll to validate that.

Coda 10-20-06 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yahoshua
This is why i stopped reading newspapers from mainstream U.S. and started reading some of the Arab papers.

Same here. Now all I read is http://www.happynews.com

Gary 10-20-06 06:11 PM

spoon feed lies
 
I find it more than interesting over the response to what I
have said. I read all kinds of things negative towards Islam
but when I, (being definitely no jew sycophant) mention a
perspective which is forbidden on the jew media, some of you
respond as if I am doing something criminal or immoral or at
least taboo. And in the midst of all this is the casual bluster
of nuking a nation of Iran. Astonishing!
Consider this: We would have no problem with Iran if it were
not for the jews lusting for the murder of it's leader.

Ducimus 10-20-06 06:11 PM

Jewish conrolled media? Suure, and im sure who's really pulling the zionist puptieers strings is the freemasons and the illuminate...... *COUGH*

Yahoshua 10-20-06 06:15 PM

Oh COOL!!!!

So that means I can do this!!

http://raffael-spirig.blog.students....red-button.jpg

After all, it IS Iran who is starting this whole sorry mess by promising to wipe Israel off the map. I haven't seen Israel do anything of the like.

Why wouldn't the "Jewish controlled planet" then simply send all the "Jewish controlled armies" to massively invade Iran and crush them?

This is funny. I'm going to enjoy this.

Coda 10-20-06 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary
I find it more than interesting over the response to what I
have said. I read all kinds of things negative towards Islam
but when I, (being definitely no jew sycophant) mention a
perspective which is forbidden on the jew media, some of you
respond as if I am doing something criminal or immoral or at
least taboo. And in the midst of all this is the casual bluster
of nuking a nation of Iran. Astonishing!
Consider this: We would have no problem with Iran if it were
not for the jews lusting for the murder of it's leader.

Not really, it's just that you say such stupid things.

Some people I just turn and walk away from. Some I watch closely as I slowly back away.

Skybird 10-20-06 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary
I find it more than interesting over the response to what I
have said. I read all kinds of things negative towards Islam
but when I, (being definitely no jew sycophant) mention a
perspective which is forbidden on the jew media, some of you
respond as if I am doing something criminal or immoral or at
least taboo. And in the midst of all this is the casual bluster
of nuking a nation of Iran. Astonishing!
Consider this: We would have no problem with Iran if it were
not for the jews lusting for the murder of it's leader.

You criticise the "stereotyping" of some of us - but "stereotype" yourself even more exemplary. That's what we call double standards. judging by your revealing phrasing, to me it is clear what direction you are coming from, and now I leave you alone, forever. Like Coda already indicated - don't come too close to me.

I personally think it would be no loss if you decide not stay here. Your antisemitic language is telltale. My tolerance for that is zero.

kiwi_2005 10-20-06 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

WHo grovels for Jew approval? Is this Gary happy land? Most Americans are pretty much nuetral to the subject, but we also feel we must defend them if they are attacked unfairly. Same as with any other country. When Afganistan was unfairly attacked, the US stepped in and delivered arms. Vietnam, same issue. Grenada, same issue. Kuwait, same issue. Korea, same issue. Even Somalia is along the same lines. Need I go on with this list?

THe point is, to suggest we favor one country over the other is not correct. To suggest that the Jewish state controls ours is not correct. The more correct answer is that we support them because they have been subjected to crimes against their state! Quite frankly, I am not quite sure why they haven't done something against the rockets flying into their country for no reason. Hezbollah just decides to launch here and there and I don't quite get why everyone is upset that Isreal got ticked off and bombed the hell out of them??? Yeah, I'd have to side with Isreal on that one. If some country allowed rockets to be fired into mine indescriminently, I'd have my ass up on Capitol Hill demanding answers as to why we didn't retaliate! Someone kidnaps our soldiers, same thing. I don't understand why some countries claim they responded too harshly. I am wondering personally, why they didn't respond with more force???

-S

Good post. sometimes even i need to be corrected and this one did it!:up:

Gary 10-20-06 08:08 PM

Subman1,
Is there anything you will question that comes out of a jew or
Washington DC for that matter? All those tiny defenseless countries
we attack had absolutely nothing to do with anything even remotely
virtuous.
America was duped in to fighting everyone of them with the only
exception of the police action in Grenada.
I personally believe the only hope for the few remaining independent
nations of the world (Islamic or what ever) is for them to posses their
own nuclear arsenal. That is the only way to keep the jew puppet traitors
in DC from attacking them as well.

JSLTIGER 10-20-06 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary
I find it more than interesting over the response to what I
have said. I read all kinds of things negative towards Islam
but when I, (being definitely no jew sycophant) mention a
perspective which is forbidden on the jew media, some of you
respond as if I am doing something criminal or immoral or at
least taboo. And in the midst of all this is the casual bluster
of nuking a nation of Iran. Astonishing!
Consider this: We would have no problem with Iran if it were
not for the jews lusting for the murder of it's leader.


Subman1,
Is there anything you will question that comes out of a jew or
Washington DC for that matter? All those tiny defenseless countries
we attack had absolutely nothing to do with anything even remotely
virtuous.
America was duped in to fighting everyone of them with the only
exception of the police action in Grenada.
I personally believe the only hope for the few remaining independent
nations of the world (Islamic or what ever) is for them to posses their
own nuclear arsenal. That is the only way to keep the jew puppet traitors
in DC from attacking them as well.


I would not dignify Gary's posts with a response at all, except that to ignore them would be to passively approve of them, which I can not and will not do. My response is in the spirit of Hillel, a great Jewish philosopher who once asked, "If I am not for myself, who will be for me? And if I am only for myself, what am I?"

You are out of your mind Gary. To call the media and government "Jew-controlled" and "Jew puppet traitors?" On what basis do you make this claim? Furthermore, if what you say is true, then why would the media constantly run stories criticizing Israel and its policies? If anything, the media seems to have an anti-Israeli slant to it.

However, you don't stop there. You blame it not on Israel, but instead on "the Jews." It seems to me that you, sir, are an anti-semite. I would like to see proof of this mass Jewish conspiracy that you seem to believe in. Do you have any evidence, or are your claims the BS everyone knows them to be?

I think that our problems with Iran stem more from the fact that the government is a radical Islamic entity...or have you found a way to blame Israel for the 1980 Iranian Hostage Crisis as well?
Consider this: The Mossad is one of the most effective and efficient intelligence agencies on the face of the Earth. If Israel wanted Ahmadenijad dead, don't you think they would have eliminated him before now?

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Who grovels for Jew approval? Is this Gary happy land? Most Americans are pretty much nuetral to the subject, but we also feel we must defend them if they are attacked unfairly. Same as with any other country. When Afganistan was unfairly attacked, the US stepped in and delivered arms. Vietnam, same issue. Grenada, same issue. Kuwait, same issue. Korea, same issue. Even Somalia is along the same lines. Need I go on with this list?

THe point is, to suggest we favor one country over the other is not correct. To suggest that the Jewish state controls ours is not correct. The more correct answer is that we support them because they have been subjected to crimes against their state! Quite frankly, I am not quite sure why they haven't done something against the rockets flying into their country for no reason. Hezbollah just decides to launch here and there and I don't quite get why everyone is upset that Isreal got ticked off and bombed the hell out of them??? Yeah, I'd have to side with Isreal on that one. If some country allowed rockets to be fired into mine indescriminently, I'd have my ass up on Capitol Hill demanding answers as to why we didn't retaliate! Someone kidnaps our soldiers, same thing. I don't understand why some countries claim they responded too harshly. I am wondering personally, why they didn't respond with more force???

-S

I can't help but to agree with you Subman. I also believe that Israel has the support of the U.S. because they have proven themselves to be good allies led by the only (stable) democratic government in the Middle East (save present-day Iraq).

What I have been dying to know is this:
The whole situation this summer was sparked by the capture of IDF Cpl. Gilad Shalit by Hamas forces in Gaza.

Let us assume that both the Israeli government and the Palestinian government are indeed legitimate government bodies (despite the fact that the Palestinians govern a nation that does not technically exist [yet]). Under this assumption, Hamas was legitimately elected by the Palestinian people to represent them. However, when forces of a legitimate government invade another nation and kidnap one of their soldiers, isn't that tantamount to a declaration of war? I certainly think so. Therefore, I can't help but wonder why the world has an issue with Israel defending itself, just as any nation of the world would have done in Israel's position.

ASWnut101 10-20-06 08:31 PM

Gary, Have you met Avon Lady yet?:hmm:

And name a "tiny defensless country" we've attacked.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:29 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 1995- 2025 Subsim®
"Subsim" is a registered trademark, all rights reserved.