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Oberon 09-12-06 10:03 AM

I was at school during my final year of A levels, I was sitting upstairs on one of the computers checking the BBC website when it mentioned about a plane crashing into the WTC, I dismissed it as a little Cessna or something and carried on the day. Later that afternoon on the way back from school, I switched on my walkman radio and started listening to the news with my mate...at one point during the broadcast they mentioned commercial airliner jets and I turned to my mate and said:
"Did they just say Commercial jets?!"
to which he replied
"Sounds like it."
And my stomach just turned to ice...it was at that point I realised that something bigger than one looney with a Cessna was going on, something much bigger. I walked back from the bus to my house, still listening to the broadcast, at this time news was just coming in about Flight 93, and my sense of horror just kept growing. I walked in through the door at home and went straight to the living room, Mum was on the phone and my stepdad was sitting across from her and I just said:
"Put on the telly...something big is happening."

Fish 09-12-06 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady
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Originally Posted by Fish
Can you explain: Never forgive, to me?
Sounds to me as a eye for a eye, outcome, endless sorrow.

Sounds to me how to potentially prevent it from happening again in the future.

Ok, I can go with that.

SubSerpent 09-12-06 02:23 PM

I was in the Navy, stationed at Naval Station Norfolk. We all watched it happen on the TV as our jaws hit the floor. It was a truely horrific day! After that they put us at "Delta" and we weren't leavin the base. All ships in port prepared for the worst. They sent F-18s over from just down the road from the Oceana Naval Air Station to protect the fleet. I remember going outside and seeing all the fighter planes patrolling around. It was intense since everyone suspected that Norfolk was sure to be next or even Washington.

Then reports came in the Pentagon got hit and that nearly flipped me out. It was like we were getting our asses kicked by enemy ghosts or something. Where were they? I remember we all felt helpless and confused.

A total shame that all of this was conducted and masterminded by one of the sickest men the world has ever known, living on the other side of the world in a desert with camels. Simply amazing and incredible that our government was powerless to stop it that day and how it was all pulled off without being caught by airport security.

BTW, did they ever put together enough evidence that the people who crashed into a field in PA., had put up a fight with the terrorist onboard? If they did, then those Americans onboard that plane deserve the Congressional Medal of Honor, IMHO!!! They may have saved thousands of lives by losing their own if that was the case!

Dowly 09-12-06 03:24 PM

At that time I still had my 486 PC and if I remember right, I was playing the Wolfpack or something like that. My parents were away atm so I didnīt have a clue about what had happened. Then I received a text message from a friend: "Can you believe this? World War III is coming.". I still didnt have clue on what he meant. It was when I was on my way for a smoke and walked past the living room I noticed the news broadcast on TV.

scandium 09-13-06 12:39 AM

I had just gotten home from my first class of the semester, a 4th year sociology seminar on Globalization that had started at 9:30 but ended early, as most first classes of the semester do, and I remember - ironically - that I happened to be wearing a t-shirt with "Challenge Authority" on the front of it along with the Anarchist symbol (a souvenier from a trip to Berkley earlier that year). My phone rang and it was a friend of mine whose first words out of his mouth were "they're bombing NYC". I had no idea what he was talking about, who "they" were (since the US wasn't at war with anyone) and thought he was pulling my leg.

He was so persistent that I gave up and turned on the TV. As I am in a timezone farther east than NYC it must have only been around 9:30 AM there by that point; both towers were on fire but had not yet collapsed. The anchors were trying to puzzle out what was happening while continually rerunning the footage of the 2nd airliner striking one of the towers, and I watched both collapse live on CNN.

I skipped my other class I had that day, and spent the rest of the day glued to the TV the same as I suspect most others had. My gut reaction when flight 93 went down was that it was shot down.

If someone had told me that day that the whole thing had been masterminded by a guy in a cave in Afghanistan I would have thought them mental. I still don't know what to make of the whole thing, but reject any high level conspiracy theories because something of that magnitude could not be kept quiet for so long. Yet I remain skeptical of the official version of events, though there are no alternative versions that I've been sold on; yet the enormity of the intelligence and security failures involved, the slow and inept response, all combine to make me wonder just how so many people could have screwed up so spectacularly. And I really don't understand how Bush, whose watch this catastrophe occured on, managed to emerge as the hero figure that he did. Though I'll grant that he gave a very moving and stellar speech on the ruins of the WTC a few days later - the highpoint of his presidency.

Iceman 09-13-06 02:14 AM

Still hard to talk about...

Wife woke me up...was my day off and told me about the crash to one of the trade center towers.....flipped on news...stayed glued....at first thought accident until second hit.Called good friend to verify I wasn't dreaming or something...nope.Cried and got down on my kness and prayed when saw the horror of them falling and knowing people had just perished...but Knew All victums were immediatly caught up to heaven.Pretty much sat in silence much of the day until the evening and was outside and it was a clear as crystal Arizona evening and not one plane in the sky except 2 Jet fighters patroling the night sky all night...doing circles around our whole valley.And the feeling of the calm before the storm...when we as Americans get our second wind and began to kick some ass! I am thankful for everything pres Bush has done with NO regrets...I feel 100% percent safer knowing he put those dirt bags on the run and anyone else who had the same ideas.We cannot be timid and must use our power to dis-arm ALL who would attempt such things in the future...what will cost be if we don't?Bin Laden may not be dead or caught but at least he is not as comfortable as he used to be ....and you know...his day will come for this Evil deed he has done.

P.S. Piss Off Scandlous.

Eichenlaub 09-13-06 07:12 AM

I remember being at the university of Nijmegen for the day, although I cannot remember whether I was there to study or to follow a class.

Somwhere in the afternoon, probably around 15:00 hours, I was sitting in the computer room when a group of fellow historians-to-be entered and babbled about a plane in the WTC. We all crowded (about 4-5 of us) around a single computer and tried to find reels of the events in New york. We saw it, were awed and dismayed. We spoke about it loudly (which is not allowed), making rough guesstimates of the maximum possible number of casualties. Other people looked up at us but apparently we were amongst the few who really knew of the attack. Some must have been annoyed at our callous noise-making, but they learned our reasons when they got home later on. As we sat there, our eyes wide open, I was the first to mention Osama Ben Laden as a suspect, but we really weren't occupied with the perpetrators yet. The misery overwhelmed us all.
Didn't grasp it at first, but then I heard from the staff of the computer room that another plane was being monitored and possibly to be shot down by fighter jets. That's when I left the university and went home. I tried to do the normal routines and succeeded rather well since I had not been able to learn everything yet. That evening, at the karatedo training, my instructor spent a few moments on the attacks, asking the youngest participants (10-11 years) whether they had understood what was going on and whether they had heard of it at school. I remember everybody having their versions of the possible casualty rates, and what this would do to the world. All agreed that it would no longer be the same and I knew back then that I would always have some sharp memories of that day.

The strongest memories I have though, are really of the 12th. I woke up and turned the tv on. Eventually I got out to buy a newspaper (which I almost never do). The day was spent completely engrossed in watching tv and reading that paper. I was completely lost, unable to function properly. I distinctly remember shedding lots of tears back then, and whenever I invoke those memories, I find that a few well up in my eyes even now.

Having spent a day in solitude and sympathy, I got back into a normal routine the next day. When extraordinary disasters hit me, I usually grieve for a full day, as I for instance did when Dutch public figures Pim Fortuyn (06-05-02) and Theo van Gogh (02-11-04) were assassinated.
People were somewhat embarrassed to go back to work and tend to their own lives from 12 September onwards, but really, what else were we to do?

It's already been five years now and how everything has -or hasn't- changed since 11-9-01. It's just unfathomable at times.

Nowadays I cannot fully believe the official story, though I've not been reeled in by any specific conspiracy theory yet. 'Loose Change' was aired here last Sunday and I saw most of it. As a historian I know how evidence can so easily be tempered with, especially eyewitness testimonies, therefore I hesitate to accept any of all those theories without further evidence. Checking it for myself is impossible though.

Kind regards,

Eichenlaub

Rose 09-13-06 03:23 PM

These stories are all great. Thanks for sharing guys (and girl). Were there any other New Yorkers there that day besides me? I seem to remember another New Yorker here at Subsim... Where is he?

AG124 09-13-06 05:36 PM

It seems like ages ago, but I too can remember that day. I was still in my last year of high school and was just getting home for lunch (I think my last class had been Advanced Placement European History). When I came in through the door, my parents were in the living room watching the television and dinner was sitting uncooked in the kitchen (I don't even remember what it was). My dad told me that the World Trade Centre had been hit by aircraft and that thousands of people has been killed - I was stunned beyond belief and thought at first it had been only one plane and was an acident. Dad then told me that no, it had ben two planes and that it was terrorists. I couldn't even eat any dinner - I just sat in the living room and watched the TV throughout my entire lunch break. I don't remember either of the towers actually collapsing - I think that happened after Iwent back to school. I could see the bodies falling or jumping occasionally from the towers, although not very often - that was the worst part and it visibly upset other members of my family as well. I myself was completely stunned throughout the whole thing - not only by the scale of the death and destruction which was unfolding before my eyes but also because I was sure that society would change dramatically and not for the better. Luckly, western society has not become a police state or anything, and I don't think that it will now but such thoughts are understandable in a moment of crises. This is not the thread for such talk, however.

Anyway, I still had to go back to school that afternoon - I had never wanted to stay home from school so badly in my life but off I went. At school, there a nervous atmosphere amongst the student who had heard, but there were many who hadn't. I told some of my classmates - some looked shocked, some of the stupider ones seemed to think it was all a big joke. I don't think any of them really grasped what they heard. I still remember the reaction from my home-room teacher Mr. Greenland. I forget exactly what I told him, but it was something along the lines of "Terrorists just crashed four planes into the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon and killed thousands of people." He looked at me very calmly and said "Oh Yeah?" He was never one to get excited about anything though.:roll: Not like my AP History teacher. He was more excited then I had ever seen him, although it wasn't a joyful excitement. He actually came and found me (I was his best student at the time) and said something along the lines of that we were living through a very important time in history, and that my generation was going to see huge changes - then he ran off to get back to the teacher's lounge which had a big-screen TV to which students like me had no access. The next day, he spoke in sombre tones aboutthe tradgedy that had happened, as well as discussing the historical significance - he also believed that George Bush was going to handle the situation very well and be remembered as one of the USA's greatest presidents although hehad never liked Bush.

That night I watched the events continuously without end until into the night - I remember Tower 7 collapsing earlier in the evening but it wasn't a good shot. What I also remember were the many shots of cheering muslm crowds burning US flags and celebrating all those deaths - I won't post what I thought (and think) of them because it wouldn't be politically correct to say the least. I heard many other vicious anti-muslim comments that day as well, although I won't go into further detail. Although we were Canadians, there was a sense of injustice, outrage, and sorrow anyway - I don't think that many civilized people could not feel that way over something such as this. No one I knew heard anything about al Quada or Osama bin Laden but it seems that there were rumours that they were muslims from Pakistan. I don't recall anyone locally celebrating the events, although one or two people at school said that the US had deserved it. I strongly disagree.:nope: I do recall hoping that the United states would find out which country had done this (in my mind at the time, some government somewhere was at least partially responsible) and crush them into rubble. I do think a little more rationally now, but I definitely agreed with (and still agree with) the war in Afghanistan.

After that time, people seemed to feel more sympathy for the US, even after the invasion of Iraq which not everyone agreed with (although actually, my home province of Newfoundland at least intially had an unusually high support rate for the war - 82% I think). Even to this day I can see many US flags flying alongside Canadian, Newfoundland, and [rare] British ones - they can now be bought at many stores, unlike before 9/11. "United We Stand" stickers became popular on car windows as well - they depicted a US flag and and Canadian one together. I have not seen as many of those since the Iraq war, but I think most people in this province and across Canada still would look down upon this cowardly and cruel act.

Anyway, I'll shut up now and let someone else post.

Rose 09-13-06 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by AG124
I remember Tower 7 collapsing earlier in the evening but it wasn't a good shot.

My mom is the one who did produced that shot.

AG124 09-13-06 07:38 PM

Well, it was good considering the circumstances. Didn't mean to be rude or anything.

Rose 09-13-06 07:42 PM

No no no I wasn't saying that :D . I was just making a reference to a comment I made in my initial post. Namely that my mom was down at the site doing live shots for months, and that was one of them. It's just cool for me that someone in Canada saw it... not "cool" under those circumstances of course. I wasn't implying that you were being rude at all, sorry if it came off that way.

Yahoshua 09-13-06 07:43 PM

I was in HS at the time and I was walking to Math class. When I got in the room (it was room #10) Mr. Baker (yeah I still remember his name....strange) was on his laptop looking at the screen. He clicked on it continually, completely ignoring me which was unusual for him.

When I walked around to the side of his desk to see what he was looking at, he simply said "The WTC was attacked." He then shut the laptop, and he began, and finished class as normal.

The thoughts that ran through my head during that class are forgotten now, but my mind was moving at the speed of thought.

The whole school knew what had happened in the span of a half-hour. School ended as usual and when I arrived home I read up everything on the internet as I could. My first impression (after being told of us being attacked) was that we had failed ourselves and repeated history (Pearl Harbor). My next thought was who could've done this? I spent the next several hours watching as the second plane hit the the towers, watching the people jump, and watching the towers collapse. I don't remember how my other family members reacted.

I wasn't afraid of being attacked. I reasoned that the Japanese attacked all at once, and if this truly were a repeat of Pearl Harbor, then it would only happen once. And perhaps I was right. I then heard that the Pentagon was hit. I had passed by the Pentagon only a few months before during the Washington D.C. trip my class went on. When I re-digested my thoughts they came off as strange and foreign to me (btw I think WAY too much about little things).

When I had eventually learned that most of the hijackers were Arabs (and Saudi at that), I immediatly connected them with Islam. That the mentality of Islam is domination (I had purchased a 1992 printing of a translated Q'uran for a research project at school). My next thought was that we were at war, just like after Pearl Harbor. But when it dawned on me how may arabs there were in general population compared to the rest of the world, I realized that the war after Pearl Harbor would be insignificant in comparison.

AG124 09-13-06 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rose
No no no I wasn't saying that :D . I was just making a reference to a comment I made in my initial post. Namely that my mom was down at the site doing live shots for months, and that was one of them. It's just cool for me that someone in Canada saw it... not "cool" under those circumstances of course. I wasn't implying that you were being rude at all, sorry if it came off that way.

:up: Just making sure I didn't offend anyone myself, that's all.

Fish 09-14-06 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eichenlaub
I remember being at the university of Nijmegen for the day, although I cannot remember whether I was there to study or to follow a class.

Somwhere in the afternoon, probably around 15:00 hours, I was sitting in the computer room when a group of fellow historians-to-be entered and babbled about a plane in the WTC. We all crowded (about 4-5 of us) around a single computer and tried to find reels of the events in New york. We saw it, were awed and dismayed. We spoke about it loudly (which is not allowed), making rough guesstimates of the maximum possible number of casualties. Other people looked up at us but apparently we were amongst the few who really knew of the attack. Some must have been annoyed at our callous noise-making, but they learned our reasons when they got home later on. As we sat there, our eyes wide open, I was the first to mention Osama Ben Laden as a suspect, but we really weren't occupied with the perpetrators yet. The misery overwhelmed us all.
Didn't grasp it at first, but then I heard from the staff of the computer room that another plane was being monitored and possibly to be shot down by fighter jets. That's when I left the university and went home. I tried to do the normal routines and succeeded rather well since I had not been able to learn everything yet. That evening, at the karatedo training, my instructor spent a few moments on the attacks, asking the youngest participants (10-11 years) whether they had understood what was going on and whether they had heard of it at school. I remember everybody having their versions of the possible casualty rates, and what this would do to the world. All agreed that it would no longer be the same and I knew back then that I would always have some sharp memories of that day.

The strongest memories I have though, are really of the 12th. I woke up and turned the tv on. Eventually I got out to buy a newspaper (which I almost never do). The day was spent completely engrossed in watching tv and reading that paper. I was completely lost, unable to function properly. I distinctly remember shedding lots of tears back then, and whenever I invoke those memories, I find that a few well up in my eyes even now.

Having spent a day in solitude and sympathy, I got back into a normal routine the next day. When extraordinary disasters hit me, I usually grieve for a full day, as I for instance did when Dutch public figures Pim Fortuyn (06-05-02) and Theo van Gogh (02-11-04) were assassinated.
People were somewhat embarrassed to go back to work and tend to their own lives from 12 September onwards, but really, what else were we to do?

It's already been five years now and how everything has -or hasn't- changed since 11-9-01. It's just unfathomable at times.

Nowadays I cannot fully believe the official story, though I've not been reeled in by any specific conspiracy theory yet. 'Loose Change' was aired here last Sunday and I saw most of it. As a historian I know how evidence can so easily be tempered with, especially eyewitness testimonies, therefore I hesitate to accept any of all those theories without further evidence. Checking it for myself is impossible though.

Kind regards,

Eichenlaub

He Eichenlaub what study did you do in Nijmegen, my oldest son studied there at the time, tandheelkunde.

PS: ahh.. I see, history.

Eichenlaub 09-14-06 11:41 AM

Hi Fish,

History it is indeed! I must say though, tandheelkunde sure is a better bet financially!:cool: :o

Kind regards,

Eichenlaub

Fish 09-14-06 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eichenlaub
Hi Fish,

History it is indeed! I must say though, tandheelkunde sure is a better bet financially!:cool: :o

Kind regards,

Eichenlaub

Indeed. :yep:

Wim Libaers 09-16-06 02:54 PM

I was reading a forum on the PC. News about the incident came more or less at the same time on that forum and from my dad who was watching it on TV (probably heard it on the radio first). Then the second plane came, then there was a report about the pentagon being under attack by one or more helicopters (leter replaced by another plane) and the crashed one.

I don't remember much specific things about what I was doing, and I can't say I was really shocked either. Interested and curious about the future, expecting some military action, but I don't remember feeling much. Perhaps I'm very insensitive, perhaps other people are overly sensitive, I don't know.

Rose 09-16-06 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Wim Libaers
perhaps other people are overly sensitive, I don't know.

I'm not sure feeling extreme emotion after watching 3000 people die is overly sensetive.


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