Pearl harbor happened under a Republicans' watch?

That's where I stopped taking that crap seriously. People, when an election is that close, it's going to be hard if not impossible to say with certainty who had the most votes. It's almost like flipping a coin.

I go with Bush because if Gore could not carry his own HOME state, he's a loser.

You can if you want. But there has been only one major terrorist attack on U.S. interests since Bush has been President. Unlike the multiple attacks under Clinton where the response was Zero. So you would have to give Republicans credit for at least addressing the issue rather than sitting on your hands and pretending there is no terrorist threat at all like the Democrat Party response. All the while allowing these murderers more time to flourish. There may not have been a 9/11 had Clinton approached the problem like Bush is doing now. And it doesn't help that the Clinton administration put handcuffs on domestic intelligence agencies from sharing information.

In addition, the Democrat Party actively tries to shutdown the very policies needed to catch these fanatics. The Republicans at least don't believe we're supposed to just sit , be passive, surrender our lives, and die.


Yes, it's difficult isn't it? But I find it interesting that those who critisize the Bush administration have no answers themselves. They do nothing but critisize and offer no alternatives short of full surrender. No Thanks.

I know what you mean. I'm a liberal's worst nightmare. I'm a brown skin person who loves the USA, it's culture, and it's heritage. I believe in a strong military, border security, and national security as a priority. I've been called a "self-hater" by many that get infuriated that I don't blame 'whitey' for every economic challenge I confront in my life. I prefer to solve my own problems and blame no one.

I've totally frustrated liberals because I have brown skin, yet I'm NOT dependant on the government for my own sustinence. I've been hated by liberals because I have brown skin, yet I believe in economic freedom, low taxes, and pro-growth economic policies. It's true, there is nothing more dangerous politically to liberals than a conservative brown skin person. I've seen more hatred directed towards me by foul-mouthed liberals once they find out I have color in my skin and ancestry. I've actually experienced this. But I just laugh. :lol: I've actually been a little successful in convincing a few other "brown skin" people that they'll be better off not being a part of the Democrat Party Victim Group Program.

Not surprising that a Texan wouldn't stand with another Texan. :roll:

Maybe Bush grinned and ignored the exit polls because he new the election was fixed in Florida before the election even started. He was "guranteed" a win in Florida by his own brother after all!

Then that guy who declined for anymore interview and walked away from the reporter was caught by the reporter on paper as having used illegal money to pay off the third party company to count the ballads and chads in Bush's favor.

Why was their so many black people in Florida denied to cast a vote? 95,000 black people is quite a few and almost all of them voted for Gore. There votes didn't get counted because they were listed as being felons. That one black man Flordia got mixed up with a crime a white man did in another state. They fixed his name in the data base as not being allowed to vote because he had commited a crime in "2007" WTF?!?! Does the Bush administration have some sort of "Minority Report" mind reading crap going on? Do they know this guy is going to commit a crime on a specific day, at a specific time, in a specific year. He was robbed and cheated and the whole damn election was unfair.

Also, why was the woman (who just happened to be Bush's chairperson for his campaign) allowed to be the vote recount "official". That was unfair. Obviously she was a Republican so why wouldn't she have had something to do with cheating the Democrats out of their win for the benefit of herself and her future?

I'm sorry Neal, but that video does show that the Bush campaign and administration is nothing but a bunch of corrupt, lying, cheating, and stealing criminals.

Funny how you say "brown" skin. Looks like you are trying to closer yourself to "Whitey". You must be the real Carlton! Last time I checked most African American's I know, proudly call themselves "Black" people.

I have a song for all you democrats, I dedicate this to you:
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LOL. :lol: No. Actually I'm brown skinned because my maternal Grandmother came from Mexico. My maternal Grandfather came from Guatemala. I'm not "Black" or African-American. And I can actually dance, unlike Carlton. :D

As far as getting closer to "whitey', I use the term for obvious reasons. It's used to make a point. I have many frind of varying racial make-ups including white folks. I choose friends based on character. But I note that there is a concerted effort on the left to get white's to feel guilty about things they didn't personally do. Sins of the Father thing here....

That's just retarded that you would think that a Democrat would be closer to communism than a republican. Last time I checked, republicans were closer extremist to communism than Democrats by far. republicans want to control EVERYTHING! They tend to be made up of drunken red necks, the KKK, wife beaters, and major control freaks.

Way on the left side you have a Dictatorship. Way on the right you have communism. Neither one are good so that's why people tend to stick closer to the middle.

Remember, Democrat is left sided and republican is right sided which is closer to communism. Check your history and facts over!

Two MAJOR republicans...

Rush Limbaugh = Communist
Nute Gingrich = Communist

Uh. You got this wrong. When comparing the economic principles of the two party's, Democrats are actually aligned closer to Communist principles. Communism is the collective ownership of property and organization of labor for common advantages. Sound familiar? Nikimcbee got it right.

This has changed the opposite way since the cold war. Republicans are the ones squeezing every ounce out of the American worker for low wages and bent on world control. I'd say I'm right about this! Communism is about government controlling people. Look at the Bush approved wire taps, email taps, forum taps, etc. Look at the fact that min wage hasn't been raised in over a decade. It was the Clinton Administration that raised it the last time. Yet the republican congress has no problem giving themselves a nice fat raise every year as well as the military but not the common civilian worker. This is martial law and that is closer to communism - just like China. Wonder when Bush is gonna make us all go man the rice patties while his troops watch over our work with loaded rifles. "Anyone-stop-working-you-DIE!" - Vietnam, Cambodia, etc. All communistic.

Also, why would Kennedy (a democrat) want to go to war against Vietnam (a communist country) if their "principles" were the same?

I'd say no. What you say doesn't define what a Communist is. It's nothing but frothing at the mouth rhetoric. Republicans have continually relieved pressure on the tax base and have stood up for private property rights, although not as much as they should. But Democrats are reknowned for increasing the burden on tax-payers, and are utterly silent in the area of private property rights. Nope, nikimcbee's right on target. :up:

Thank you for proving my point for me. You think it's up to the government to set wages for people who work in the private sector. That, sir is as close to communism as they come.

Yeah! Me and all my Democratic friends are really communist. We want people to share their wealth to help feed the sick and elderly. We don't want people to hog money that they truely don't deserve so they can go out and buy another brand new $50,000 sports car that they don't need. Yeah, really big communist here pal! Meanwhile you and your side want to "control" the poorer population and kick them while they're down as you count your millions. It's those poor people that work their butts off for your companies so that people like you can live in a big fancy house, drive fancy cars, and not have to worry about retirement. The poor people are left with no choice but to join your military to fight your wars that you and your sides leader decides to start just so they can earn a desent paycheck and have desent medical care for themselves and their families.

It's the control that the republicans force upon the poor man that people like you love because you don't have to worry about spending that extra few cents a month off your paycheck to help the less fortunate out. You are a sick man Sea Demon and you and your party need to be a little less selfish and a lot more selfless. Maybe if that happened and the greed of most republicans came to an end this world we live in would be a better place.

With all of this administration's talk of Islamo-Fascism, here's a link to an article by Umberto Eco describing the 14 main characteristics of Fascism. Compare & contrast.

http://www.themodernword.com/eco/eco_blackshirt.html

Interesting to see how many champions of "democracy" from the US are here conceeding that at least one election was stolen, and thereby extension your El Presidente about as legitimate as Fidel Castro (only ole Fidel has far less blood on his hands... and the current US "President" has only been in power less than 6 years).... but "we won, you lost" and that's all that matters eh.

Seems the only thing y'all lost, some more willingly than others, are the supposed sacred constitutional rights your country was founded on. Amazing how many "patriots" are so quick to sell off that piece of paper and their civil liberties 'cuz their side "won"... won what? How are you better off now than you were 6 years ago?

Well at least you have proven the point that you believe government should be in control to take from those who have, and redistribute to those who don't have. And that is communism. But you see SubSerpent, we live in a free society. And in a society such as that, there are choices one makesin order to determine their quality of life. Sometimes it doesn't always work out, but you do have the choice and freedom to make your life better. You also have the choice and freedom to help those around you in need. Me and my family donate to several causes each year. Including the Special Olympics, US Mission, Catholic Charities, and the Food Bank. Do you do the same? Or do you just whine about how your party is not in power to confiscate people's private property to redstribute as they see fit.

Your worldview is dangerous. Not because of your intentions. But because your worldview has been tried before, and it has always resulted in political persecution and lower standards of living. Despite your good intentions, your destruction of private property rights, which is the foundation of freedom, eventually kills off motivation and chokes innovation. You prefer everyone live in misery equally. My side says give people the freedom to use their God given talents to strive for a better life. And promote generosity as my family does annually. Not trying to toot my own horn, but it's true. But when you start talking of confiscating people's private property, you have proven my points more than I could hope for. Yes, the essence of that is communism.

Nobody here conceded that other than the hardcore lefties that'll believe anything in a Michael Moore flick or a leftist blog sponsored by International ANSWER.

Run outta popcorn?

I never said anything about taking away any property. I do agree that we should be paying more out of our paychecks though to give people low cost healthcare, better choices of schools and education, and a paycheck that is worth earning. Your party recklessly spends its money on crap! Why do we need anymore ships or submarines? We have hundreds of them that will never see combat, or the combat that your party wants them to see. The Marine Corps is pointless now! Why not get rid of that branch altogether. We already have an Army. The Navy and the Air Force have been the ones doing the "First in the fight" stuff that the Marine Corps used to brag about. Marines were used for beach landings. To attempt a beach landing today is nothing more than pure suicide and pointless when one missle could clear a beach and then some for the Army to come onto.

Your government is spending money faster than Micheal Jackson at a childerns lap dance contest, and this is money that could be going to much better and more noble causes. But No! Your party's greed doesn't care and you just admitted that in your post by saying that your party doesn't feel the need to give hand outs to people. It's your party that causes the poor and lower middle class to stop spending at your inflated prices - which leads to stock market crashes and depressions because the poor are finally going to say they aren't going to work for you and your company anymore. Once that happens you make no money, the rich make no money, the middle class make no money, and neither do the poor. Prices will then have to drop dramatically because the rich certainly aren't going to spend a lot of money on anything if they aren't making money off the poor people anymore.

You make your party sound more like a club of pompas arrogant jerks by saying you can't be a member unless you make it rich and wealthy somehow!