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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Go research your sources - they are wrong. Start with the Yellow cake and the French - should lead you to some interesting conclusions.

-S

Really? Wrong where? Document the errors. And as to the "Yellow cake and the French", what conclusions am I to be led to and where are your links to lead me there?

Frankly this is old news, and it is "not wrong"; your protestations to the contrary only expose you as one of the few remaining Americans so thoroughly brainwashed by this basic propaganda technique that you still stubbornly cling to the false belief even when its been thoroughly debunked.

One more trip down memory lane:

http://usatoday.com/news/world/2002-...al-qaeda_x.htm

July 29/02

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WASHINGTON — Bush administration lawyers have concluded that establishing a link between al-Qaeda terrorists and Iraq would provide the legal justification the White House needs to attack Saddam Hussein's regime, U.S. officials say.

An intensive effort by U.S. intelligence to establish a link between al-Qaeda and Iraq is being driven, in part, by a conclusion reached in recent weeks by White House and Pentagon legal and legislative advisers. They believe that connecting Iraq and the Sept. 11 attacks would allow the administration to avoid debates at the United Nations and in Congress over what some would call an unprovoked strike.

The administration has sought the connection since the first days after Sept. 11.

There is the motive and the means laid out in black and white before the propaganda operation even
begins.

September 2/02

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLI.../26/time.iraq/

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Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, a Foreign Relations Committee member who has warned against a pre-emptive strike, insists, "Saddam is not in league with al-Qaeda. Of course he cheers and encourages them. But I have not seen any intelligence that would lead me to connect Saddam Hussein with al-Qaeda."

Evidently Chuck hadn't read the memo, but not to worry.

September 28/02

http://www.la.utexas.edu/~seant/gop.html

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In Phoenix this evening, Mr. Bush made his most direct connection between Iraq and Al Qaeda, describing Mr. Hussein as "a man who hates America, a man who loves to link up with Al Qaeda, a man who is a true threat to America."

And so it begins.

November 1/02

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0021101-5.html

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It's going to take a while. It's going to take a while to make America safe. It's going to take a while to do everything we can to fulfill our responsibilities and protect you. The American people understand that, they understand it's a new kind of war. They also understand there's a -- they also understand there's a new reality we face, and that's important. The new reality is oceans no longer protect us. After September the 11th, 2001, every threat that might be emerging overseas we need to take seriously. In the old days we could sit back and say, well, there's something emerging over there and these oceans protect us and we're safe, and we can decide whether or not we want to be involved in that theater, we can decide if we really think it's in our national interest, because our people aren't threatened.

We have a new day here in America. It's a sobering reality. It's one that you better make sure your elected officials are clear-eyed about the threats that we face. And we face a threat in the form of Saddam Hussein in Iraq. Saddam Hussein is a man who has told the world he wouldn't have weapons of mass destruction, and yet he deceived the world. He's got them.

Not only does he have them -- remember, this is a guy who was a short while away from having a nuclear weapon. Then they dismantled it. Then he started deceiving the world again and no telling how close he is to having one now. We know he's got chemical weapons, probably has biological weapons.

But, more significantly, we know he uses them. He uses them not only on his neighbors, he uses them on his own people. That's the nature of this man. We know he's got ties with al Qaeda. A nightmare scenario, of course, is that he becomes the arsenal for a terrorist network, where they could attack America and he'd leave no fingerprints behind. He is a problem.

Repeat after me: 9/11.... Saddam Hussein... Al Qaeda ....

February 5/03

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2727471.stm

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There are no current links between the Iraqi regime and the al-Qaeda network, according to an official British intelligence report seen by BBC News.

The BBC and British Intelligence hadn't gotten the memo either, apparently, but that's ok - it was intended for domestic consumption and its not like Americans watch the BBC anyway so they don't even count.

August 8/03

http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0803/080803nj2.htm

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Three former Bush administration officials who worked on intelligence and national security issues have told National Journal that the prewar evidence tying al Qaeda to Iraq was tenuous, exaggerated, and often at odds with the conclusions of key intelligence agencies. The Bush alumni, as well as other intelligence veterans and some members of Congress, say they see parallels between how the administration painted the Qaeda connection to Iraq and the way that the White House often portrayed intelligence about weapons of mass destruction as being definitive or rock solid.

"Our conclusion was that Saddam would certainly not provide weapons of mass destruction or WMD knowledge to al Qaeda because they were mortal enemies," said Greg Thielmann, who worked at the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research on weapons intelligence until last fall. "Saddam would have seen al Qaeda as a threat, and al Qaeda would have opposed Saddam as the kind of secular government they hated."

Other Bush veterans concur that the evidence linking Al Qaeda to Iraq was overblown.

It was BS then, they knew it was BS, but they used it anyway to sell a war nobody wanted. Though unless you read the foreign press you'd never know any different anyway because the "left-wing" media was entirely complicit in selling it - the entire televised "Shock and Awe" spectacle probably set record ratings - it was like the 4th of July, only on steroids and 4 months early.