I never wrote only now.

I know many who do want to send them back, but hey the US govt has done little to that effect, hence problem is as it stands now.

I wasn't talking about people on this board in particular I was meaning in the US in general.

Fact is the US and her people have been quite happy for the illegals to do the **** jobs. The UK is no different either, or any other country for that matter.

Beg to differ any illigal found to be working in dubai is quickly deported without any hesitation, my uncle recently came back from there and they are $h1T hot on immigration because there is no where to hide they will find you.

Dubai is a very small country and as you said no place to hide. Quite different from the US or Europe.

Over here in Britain our problem is how the Home Office stuffed up and let out of prison over 1000 foreign national criminals including murderers, paedophiles, and rapists back onto the streets of Britain instead of promptly deporting them back to thier home countries. This is a huge scandel in Britain and rightly so.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...150862,00.html

Say that again this Government is corrupt to the core, what a bunch of useless http://www.langkawi.dk/midis/9.gifthey are.

Incompetant is not the same thing as corrupt, unless of course you feel these people were deliberately released in accordance with some dark evil plan.

The current British government is incompetent on all matters. :down:

What a crock.
The Mexicans I know of, and I know of quite a few......have good paying jobs --mostly in restaurants or landscaping. I don't have any idea if they are illegals or not, but this country would buck up and get the jobs done if they are not here.
The business owners hire them because they would have to pay more for a US citizen to do the job.

Contrary to some beliefs, America did NOT shut down and I am all in favor of shipping them back until they can get over here legally.

Would you like your country to have a mass immigration of illegal americans who work cheaper and enjoy many of the benifits legally in your country?? oh, and then demand that we be made citizens cause we are willing to work for a little bit less money and there are too many of us over there now to ship us back.

Well that's the rub, they provide cheap labour. Why don't you campaign for proper pay, or a raising of the minimum wage so that Americans would do the jobs.

In the UK minimum wage is close to £5, that's almost $10 an hour. Pretty decent.

People might think I am talking as if there isn't a problem in the UK.

We get illegals who then claim asylum, we also get others who aren't illegal in entering but also then claim asylum. Now technically for some daft reason, while their application is being processed they aren't allowed to work, they are given vouchers and other benefits. The crazy thing is most WANT to work, legally, they want to take a job here. That's why they come. And many of them will do the minimum wage jobs that many Brits won't touch as they believe they are too good for that (believe me I see enough of them.) but the govt. won't let them work so they work illegally cash in hand and the result is they can get ripped off etc. I think quite a lot of Brits might not realise who are doing the ****ty jobs.

The thing is the problem in the US has been building up for many many years to the point you can't just throw them back out. Like many countries there was no coherent policy.

Personally I'd round up or the lazy bums who don't want to work and swap them 1 for 1 with an immigrant who does want to work.

Several years ago, my family consisted of ranch and field hands. My father used to pick pears. He now works as a foreman in a machinists workshop. My aunt used to work in the sorting shed, sorting what people had picked. She now works at JPL. I have alot of other family members with a similar story.

The point is that while they have moved on to bigger and better things, they started out, doing the crap jobs mexicans do today. When your poor, and just starting out, you take what opportunities you can get. Opportunites that are no longer avialable to american citiizens. Why hire an american when you can pick up some wetback off the highway, pay him less then minimum wage, and avoid taxes?

I don't buy into the "jobs american's won't do" bullcrap. My famlies proof that they will. As my father told me, "when your hungry enough, you'll do most anything". Ill bet theres quite a few americans just starting out who would probably rather work out in a field for minimum wage, then flip burgers at the local McD's.

It could also be a vicious circle. Jobs such as these promote old world values, like " a days work". Without jobs that teach these values, some of these virtues are fading out of our society.

I think i read somewhere, an intresting idea. Deport all the illegals, and all the people on welfare, make them do the jobs the illegals were doing.

You're missing the point.

There is no minimum wage when the work is being performed by illegal labor. As long as that is the case then raising the minimum wage would only make it harder for people who do have a right to be in this country to get those jobs.

After all, why should a company hire someone at minumum wage, and pay disability and unemployment insurance and maybe healthcare benefits when they can just hire an undocumented worker and pay them whatever they want? How does raising the minumum wage help that?

If you make them legal, ie documented then companies will have to pay the minimum wage for them, they would then be in competition with Americans for the jobs would be interesting to see what would happen.

After documentation of existing illegals, crack down on any new comers.

Ducimus you come from a good hardworking family. Your family is proof there are those who will work hard, but in all the time I spent in the US it seemed the immigrants, not just illegals were doing jobs Americans didn't want to. It's the same in the UK.

At least as long as it takes to fire them and hire newly arrived illegal immigrants that will accept substandard wages.

That won't happen because new illegals are arriving every day. If the government gives in to the present set it will just encourage more to get across the border any way they can and we'll be right back in the same situation.

Face it illegals are going to come in no matter how high the wall is, right across the mexican american border theres a wall and many risk thier lives every day to cross it.

Some who come from cuba even do real dumb things like flood thier boats with petrol and then threaten to set light to it, or even take people hostage at gun / knife point, or travel accross ina rubber ring.

Its going to be here today tommorrow and 50 years time get over it we can do little if some one wants to be some where they are going to try thier best.

Only way to realy stop it is to shoot the ruddy lot of them but thats not an option.

Unfortunately the fences and walls don't extend all the way from the atlantic to the pacific. There's no comparison to real border perimeters like the Isreal/Palestine wall or the old Iron Curtain. There are big gaps in unpopulated areas and even the parts that do have fences aren't patrolled as well as they need to be.

What are you saying here, August? That Israel's wall in Palestine and the old Iron Curtain are/were fortunate? :huh:

Am I the only one who finds such a statement disturbing?

Anyway, why are there so many illegal immigrants? Is it so hard to become an American citizen nowadays? What ever happened to:

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

Revised?

No, i was only speaking to the effectiveness of the three structures in keeping people out (or in the ICs case in).

Besides YOU'RE the one who says we ought to crack down on future illegals. Crack down? In what way? Should i find that statement disturbing as well?

Huh?

For your information, I'm not XabbaRus' alter ego.

Er, no, that WAS the revision.
http://www.looksmarthowto.com/p/arti...n61/ai_6896802

You're right sorry.