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Originally Posted by Oberon

If England should win it, it'll top off a nice coup de grace after getting the rugby and then the ashes... :up:

The rugby world cup I presume? You did worse than my lot (Scotland) this year in the 6 nations ;)

NO!ABSOLUTLY NOT NO!I Have to put up with enough b******s about football on the telly.NO!

DONT LOWER THE TONE!

:damn: :damn: :damn: :damn: :damn: :damn: :damn:

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Originally Posted by Skybird

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Originally Posted by Abraham

... Almost as important as winning the World Cup is for us to beat Germany; we see that as a revanche for the German assault on Holland in the Second World War and the loss of the World Cup Final in 1972 against that same country...

... BTW, we did not assault the Netherlands in WWII. On our way to France they happened to lay in our way and so we just rolled over them relatively desinterested and there was not much the Dutch could do about that :D That's where the feelings of revenge are coming from, admit it! :-j the same motto was revived in that soccer slogan some years ago: "Wir fahren zur WM - ohne Holland!" :lol:

Liar, your grandfather stole my mothers bike...
That trauma can only be healed by Holland beating Germany somewhere in the final round...
:D

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Originally Posted by Abraham

That trauma can only be healed by Holland beating Germany somewhere in the final round...
:D

I wonder what the bigger trauma is. The invasion of Holland in WW2 or the fact that Queen Beatrix had a German father and that she, just like her mum, married a German...

:D ;)

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Just imagine Germany will be out after the first round (which is a realistic chance). Any soccer forum would be flooded with congratulations! :lol:

Where as a German worl champion probably will lead to some sharp comments and after that: icy silence :rotfl:

Come on Skybird. :roll:

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Originally Posted by Skybird

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Originally Posted by Abraham

@ August:
The teams are national teams, players of different league teams, even from different countries - nationality counts. The teams have to fight for a place with the last 32 through regional competitions. After a preliminary round 16 countries will make the final round.

For instance, your country, the USA, is doing extremely well and is fourth on the FIFA ranking. It qualified and will have to play on June 12th against the Czechs, one of the strongest teams in the world. On June the 12th it meets Italy, a team that according Johan Cruijff cannot win from others, but others can lose from them. Finally they encounter Ghana on June 21st.
For more info: http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com

Winning the World Cup, even reaching the final round, creates a lot of prestige for a country, improvs its standing in the world and has an demonstratable and substantial positive effect on the economy of the participating countries and the psychological well being of the population.

I personally will be thoroughly sick and depressed if Holland will be kicked out in the primaries and extremely irritant and haunty if Holland will win the World Cup.
Almost as important as winning the World Cup is for us to beat Germany; we see that as a revanche for the German assault on Holland in the Second World War and the loss of the World Cup Final in 1972 against that same country...

It'S a tribal thing, yes, but two days ago there was a nice docu on TV about the effects on the economy, and the strange sharing of costs between FIFA and the hosting nation. The economical effects are very short-living, and their intensity is exaggerated. For the hosting nation it is more costs than benefits, economically and financially. The finacial benefit is with FIFA, almost exclusively. The finacial burden is the bigger for the hosting nation the earlier it'S team is being kicked out.

It is a common habit to implore the economical long-lasting effects for the better, but if one is looking at the real monetarian numbers of past championships, there is little truth in it, the authors concluded. the real big business is done by FIFA only. And as we see in the selling mode for tickets this time in Germany, the greed and ambition of FIFA's staff members in high ranking positions does not seem to know any limits. :down: Many Germans feel disgust for the way the business side is handled while we are the hosts. There also have been several scandals already that before not many would have expected from a Grman host. But what is that old saying again: money does not stink...

BTW, we did not assault the Netherlands in WWII. On our way to France they happened to lay in our way and so we just rolled over them relatively desinterested and there was not much the Dutch could do about that :D That's where the feelings of revenge are coming from, admit it! :-j the same motto was revived in that soccer slogan some years ago: "Wir fahren zur WM - ohne Holland!" :lol:

On your way to France, as you say, 31.598 german soldiers died in the Netherlands.
There should be more, but we surender after the bombardments on Rotterdam, after which the Germans threaten to bomb other citty's.

PS: the 31.589 are the soldiers died between 1940 and the end of the war 1945.

And all that just for Abraham's mom's her bike...

There is obviously very black humour brought in by Abraham and me. Not good to try to bring that down by acid morals. Because black humour in the relation between Dutch and Germans in the present is much better than the religious and sometimes serious aggressiveness between their fans and ours. I never liked this serious attitude of aggression between German fans, and Austrian, British and Dutch fans. Soccer is not WWII, nor is it an opportunity to take revenge, or demand justice for historical events. It'S a game, not more. If Germans and Dutch would go into the stadium in a seriously well-meaning attitude on display - it would mean to turn the sports into something political. And that is the worst option of all, I think.

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Originally Posted by Gizzmoe

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Originally Posted by Abraham

That trauma can only be healed by Holland beating Germany somewhere in the final round...
:D

I wonder what the bigger trauma is. The invasion of Holland in WW2 or the fact that Queen Beatrix had a German father and that she, just like her mum, married a German...

:D ;)

OK Gizzmoe.
The biggest trauma is losing the Final in 1974.
The second biggest trauma is the WW II.
We realise that our monarchy is basically German, and is at least 75% allochtone (=German).
Won't prevent us from beating the **** out of Germany when Oranje happens to meet Germany in the final rounds - which is unlikely, by the way...
:D

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Originally Posted by Abraham

Won't prevent us from beating the **** out of Germany when Oranje happens to meet Germany in the final rounds - which is unlikely, by the way...
:D

So little trust in your team?

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Originally Posted by Slybird

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Originally Posted by Abraham

Won't prevent us from beating the **** out of Germany when Oranje happens to meet Germany in the final rounds - which is unlikely, by the way... :D

So little trust in your team?

You obviously missed my opening post of this thread (or didn't grasp its consequences). Here are the highlights again:

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Originally Posted by Abraham

This summer Germany will host an extraordinary event, that happens only once every four years...
Starring such FIFA top ranking teams like: 1. Brazil (830 points), 2. Czech Republic (779), 3. Netherlands (774)...

The General Topics Forum might be overwhelmed by bets, comments and discussions, so passionate and so fierce, that it will make the debates between Skybird and me last year, or the discussions between Mike "Red October" Hense and The Avon Lady look like a get together of old friends over a good glass of wine...

My educated guess is that in the Final Holland will (be) beat(en) (by) Brazil.
Amoungst the other teams there will be a fierce competition for the third place. Likely candidates: Czech Republic, Italy, England, Argentina...
Bla, bla, bla...
Bla, bla, bla...
:D

No misunderstanding possible!
:D

Returning to the point, I do not think we need yet another forum, as we have far too many of them already. I don't even like the SHIV forum.

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Returning to the point, I do not think we need yet another forum, as we have far too many of them already. I don't even like the SHIV forum.

You'd rather see WW2 refought in the soccer area in numerous threads all over the board? :D

Seriously a World cup Soccer sticky thread would probably be all we need.

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Originally Posted by August

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Returning to the point, I do not think we need yet another forum, as we have far too many of them already. I don't even like the SHIV forum.

You'd rather see WW2 refought in the soccer area in numerous threads all over the board? :D

:lol: Yes, everyone should be forced to stand impressed with my awesome aptitude for tactical command.

Not to take us too far away from course, but my problem with the SHIV forum is that nothing of features or technical data has been announced. All we know is that a game is in development. This generally acts like a magnet for everyone with a gripe or half-baked idea. What you end up with is a board with a vitual neon sign that says 'Flame Here!'

None-the-less, sticky the football stuff. Good idea.

THATS IT ! ! ! ! I just monitored 2 days of the the NFL draft and I now I have to hear you call that silly girly man sport FOOTBALL ! ! ! ! ! Knute Rockne is doing backflips now !

:-j :-j :-j :-j :-j :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Originally Posted by GunnersMate

Well as i'm sure the Euros will explain soccer is indeed a ball game played with the foot. In fact much moreso than NFL Football.

Well, a sticky football thread would need a radio, of course. Here it is:
Football radio fc.45 from Berlin/Germany brings you football songs from all over the world on 24 hours 7days a week, yes: it is a 24/7 football radio!
On the start page you can find a nice collection of football album covers which are worth a look, football Zeitgeist in a time capsula.

***
Life is hard, Kamerad/Comrade.
Not always the best team wins.

Thus, apart from football voodoo dolls, we would probably need a chapel that meets the spiritual needs of the desperate football fan.

YOUâ€™LL NEVER WALK ALONE
â€œWhen you walk through a Storm.
Hold your Head up high
And don't be afraid of the Dark.
At the end of the Storm
Is a golden Sky
And the sweet silver Song of a Lark.
Walk on through the Wind.
Walk on through the Rain.
Tho' your Dreams be tossed and blown.
Walk on, walk on
With Hope in your Heart
And you'll never walk alone.
You'll never walk alone!â€

***

Abide with me
â€œAbide with me - fast falls the Eventide.
The Darkness deepens Lord with me abide.
When other Helpers fail and Comforts flee.
Help of the Helpless. O abide with meâ€¦â€

The organ in the chapel would be played by Chief Inspector Dreyfus.
http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/667...ertlom19cj.jpg

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Oh Lord,
Your word is a lamp to my feet
and a light for my path/pass.
-psalm119,105

note: If you read this and you are Diego Maradona or think you are Diego Maradona, insert â€œhandsâ€ instead of â€œfeetâ€.

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It'S a tribal thing,

Tribal !! Its bloody warfare by another name :o

...So I can't make fun of Joey Harrington in this forum? :dead: (now currently working at McDonalds.... :up: ...now that he has free time.

OOPS, wrong football, sorry :|\

PS, Go Brazil :-j :-j :-j in World Cup'06
:/\k:

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee

...So I can't make fun of Joey Harrington in this forum? :dead: (now currently working at McDonalds.... :up: ...now that he has free time.

OOPS, wrong football, sorry :|\

Don't worry if the Euros and Latins get their soccer forum/sticky thread you know Neil will oblige NFL fans come this fall.