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TLAM Strike 04-21-06 11:51 PM

All those small problems alone would not have caused a total disaster even two or three together would not have. Spacecraft are designed to operate with failures, 13 was just an example of 1 too many.

PeriscopeDepth 04-22-06 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan
There are some issues in the film that never happend in real life, i mean where in gods name did that destroyer come from?

And no captain unless he had a death wish would run around the boat saying "they turned themselves into heros".

The film is typical american soviet history, reminds me of U571

Of course it's historically inaccurate, it's Hollywood!

PD :D

Kapitan 04-22-06 07:59 AM

this is answers to tyco

1) no evedence to support this although its more than likely true

2) IRL they weleded an extension pipe and flooded the reactor to which it cooled

3) the boat had no long range radio equipment because it had short cicuted so bad they could only send via emergency transmitter, all messages was sent via S270

Wim Libaers 04-23-06 10:43 AM

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1. They sailed with chemical suits instead of lead/depleted-uranium lined radiation suits.

Seems reasonable. Radiation suits are very heavy and uncomfortable, and only useful for small sources (weak X-ray machines, small research samples of radioactive material). Offering protection good enough to survive an active reaction would not be practical if you're supposed to move or stand upright.

Chemical suits with masks can be useful in cases where the radiation is not very intense, but there's a lot of loose radioactive material. While they do not offer much protection against radiation, they prevent contamination of the skin and lungs.

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8. We are talking about 1 Sievert per minute. You're shaving off, in a manner of speaking, 10 years of your life per minute. So if you're twenty years old, you are done after 8 minutes. 10 minutes, and you are super duper well done.

9. Lethal radiation exposure is an absolutely terrible way to die. Those guys in the helicopters at Chernobyl were the bravest f*cking band of Russians I've even imagined. That gives me the willies just thinking about the courage those men had. I can't imagine the courage the K19 chief engineer had, knowing that he was done with his life, going in to inspect the repair work.
I assume that, at least in the case of Chernobyl, they may not have been completely informed about the risks.

For effects:
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Nwfaq/Nfaq5.html

Kapitan 04-23-06 11:14 AM

Also i dont think you could compair chernobyl to K19, chernobyl was a full meltdown and was what 50 times the size of K19's reactor.

I think the world shoud learn that nuclear power can be safe if its used correctly, even countrys like britain and america are not immune from the dangers 3 mile island and sellafied good examples.

I live not far from a decommissioned nuclear plant in bradwell, and i do think that we in the future may have to turn and rely fully on nuclear power because the fossil fuels are deminishing fast.

JSLTIGER 04-25-06 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan
Also i dont think you could compair chernobyl to K19, chernobyl was a full meltdown and was what 50 times the size of K19's reactor.

I think the world shoud learn that nuclear power can be safe if its used correctly, even countrys like britain and america are not immune from the dangers 3 mile island and sellafied good examples.

I live not far from a decommissioned nuclear plant in bradwell, and i do think that we in the future may have to turn and rely fully on nuclear power because the fossil fuels are deminishing fast.

I hate to break it to you, but we running on about 50 years of uranium...that's it. This can be extended to about 400 years IF we use breeder reactors.

Wim Libaers 04-25-06 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan
Also i dont think you could compair chernobyl to K19, chernobyl was a full meltdown and was what 50 times the size of K19's reactor.

I think the world shoud learn that nuclear power can be safe if its used correctly, even countrys like britain and america are not immune from the dangers 3 mile island and sellafied good examples.

I live not far from a decommissioned nuclear plant in bradwell, and i do think that we in the future may have to turn and rely fully on nuclear power because the fossil fuels are deminishing fast.

I hate to break it to you, but we running on about 50 years of uranium...that's it. This can be extended to about 400 years IF we use breeder reactors.

I've seen 1000 years for breeders, but that's assuming energy consumption levels remain equal. There are some other options (uranium from seawater, using thorium, getting the uranium and thorium from coal), but yes, with currect practices, the easily accessible nuclear fuel will not last long.

Kapitan 04-25-06 03:55 PM

Looks like America is going to be importing uranium from magadan then :rotfl:

I wish have you seen the active mines in magadan? ive seen pictures and what not and they are huge like quareys. :o

The Noob 04-26-06 07:58 AM

There is a Movie about K-19 in TV, is it Good? :roll:

The Noob 04-26-06 07:59 AM

Ah, finally i got Rid of Bonnet... :rotfl:

Kapitan 04-26-06 08:02 AM

The K19 film is only about 75% true there is alot of holes i could pick into it, some examples for a start is where did the destroyer come from, another when did the captain even be relieved of command.

Many of the people who served on K19 do not like the movie, they say it portrays them as drunkerds and incompetant, Vladimir Yenin even voiced his discust to the international submarine community in st petersburg.

So dont take the film as gospel truth.

The Avon Lady 04-26-06 09:10 AM

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Ah, finally i got Rid of Bonnet... :rotfl:

I wouldn't brag about your new avatar, either!

http://img288.imageshack.us/img288/8808/gram8cj.jpg

The Noob 04-26-06 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan
The K19 film is only about 75% true there is alot of holes i could pick into it, some examples for a start is where did the destroyer come from, another when did the captain even be relieved of command.

Get the Real Story of U-96 and then watch Das Boot. Das Boot is just 25% True, So What?

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Originally Posted by Kapitan
Many of the people who served on K19 do not like the movie, they say it portrays them as drunkerds and incompetant

Well, it's an american Movie about Soviets, so what did You expected?

:rotfl:

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I wouldn't brag about your new avatar, either!

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HOLY SHEEP! *Takes his Luger and Shoots Himself*

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Kapitan 04-26-06 10:30 AM

What did i expect, well for a starters the film amkers to honour thier promises to the living and fallen crew.

Thats genrally a good start.

Linton 04-26-06 03:03 PM

The woman on the submarine in kapitan's picture is the director of the film Kathryn Bigelow

Kapitan 04-26-06 03:26 PM

I feel sorry for that woman i know if she ever set foot in st petes again then she might just get linched.

TLAM Strike 04-26-06 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan
There are some issues in the film that never happend in real life, i mean where in gods name did that destroyer come from?

I assume it came from a shipyard. :-j

Whets the big deal, an American destroyer showed up and hangs around in the background to add a little drama. Its not like they disguised them selves as Russians and sneaked aboard to steal the launch codes!

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And no captain unless he had a death wish would run around the boat saying "they turned themselves into heros".
Huh? Maybe I'm thick but care to explain that?

Listen a 75% accurate movie is probably the most realistic submarine movie to date. :lol:

Linton 04-26-06 03:59 PM

Kapitan would you care to elborate on the director's unpopularity in ST.P?The dvd I have got includes an interview with her.

Kapitan 04-26-06 04:02 PM

Any captain running around his submarine exclaiming his crew are heros, would be frownd upon in the kremlin, the only person that had the power to call or award some one hero of the soviet union was the premier.

The political officer, could stop that shinanagen simply but shooting the officer exclaiming this, as he has no authority to do so.
It could be seen as your undermining the premier and that would lead to trason which in turn leads to death sentance.

Also a political officer would not use a fire arm to sieze control of any vessel unless they realy had to, not long after the K19 incident there was an attempted defection from crew members from a ship at sea, as i believe one man was shot out right for betrayl of his country and also tratory.

The others were quickly taken away and never seen again.

Thats how a few little words could mean the diffrence between life and death, we are lucky in the west we can speak our minds, but most dont get is that in the soviet union it was very regulated so by saying he is my hero could be twisted and used against you.

K19 is a dramatised version of acctualy events, i personaly do think they show the crew as totaly incompetent and drunkards, there is a thing called rationing which the russians have used for years to stop any crew member from getting drunk.

In real life there was no DDG and there was two submarines that came to the rescue S159 and S270 also a third stood gaurd while a merchant ship towed K19 back to sea, the captain was also last to leave his ship and the russian watch submarine had strict orders to sink the submarine should any american or NATO vessel came closer than a mile to the submarine.

Kapitan 04-26-06 04:07 PM

She is highly unpopular with former vetrans and also modern day sailors, they have a tendancy to think that she is responcible for mentaly dragging them down.

St Petersburg is home to the submarine vet club and thousands of sailors from the northern and baltic fleets, it is a naval city, there are more sailors here than moscow or even Nizhney Novgorad.

The vet's say that she showed them as incompetent and unable to do thier jobs, to which they will always disagree, also vladimir yennin (1st officer on the sub in 1961) has publicly stated that he strongly disaproves of the film, hence why it was quite a flop in russia.

This is hollywood portrayl of a soviet event, facts have been twisted and distorted only to suite the american ideas of the russian navy, and i can tell you from first hand that the film and real life differ greatly.


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